[HDRider]

I'm saying even if the country appears to be in disarray, we have nuclear subs ready to launch at a moment's notice. Just a guess, but 3 nukes would probably stop China. Plus, don't forget GB, France, and Israel also have nukes. If it ever gets to that point, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia was on our side.

The invading force would blend in and organize war lords.

You need to stop thinking like this is 1980

 

[JRHill02]

I suspect that secession was not precluded in the Constitution originally, but the 14th Amendment might make it unconstitutional now.

Since citizens of all States are deemed citizens of the United States, secession would probably be seen as denying those persons equal protection of the laws of the United States.

Of course, as with the original War Between the States, the remaining United States congress is authorized to declare War as they see fit.

Secession is one thing. But if you haven't heard or followed it, a considerable part of eastern Oregon wants to become part of Idaho. It's not an issue of being proud Americans, it's an issue of being thoroughly frustrated Oregonians. Their argument is the same as in many States: the population centers overwhelm the rural vote every time. But the geography favors this and Idaho seems receptive. There are a whole bunch of complexities to this. But it is quite interesting.

 

[HDRider]

Secession is one thing. But if you haven't heard or followed it, a considerable part of eastern Oregon wants to become part of Idaho. It's not an issue of being proud Americans, it's an issue of being thoroughly frustrated Oregonians. Their argument is the same as in many States: the population centers overwhelm the rural vote every time. But the geography favors this and Idaho seems receptive. There are a whole bunch of complexities to this. But it is quite interesting.

I ran across this while I was out your way.

https://www.stateofjefferson.com/

 

[nodak3]

My perspective? We would do our best and survive for a time but at our ages not surviving long would be a blessing.

I look at my family and this country's last unCivil War. Those on the side of the south were absolutely destroyed financially. We are still digging out. Those on the side of the north were absolutely destroyed. We are still digging out. Those that were "fought over" gained freedom but with it Jim Crow and financial devastation in some cases worse than what they had been experiencing.

And then I look at Germany in the 1930s since that is that path we are intentionally determinedly following. Those of us who wound up in the furnaces did not fare so well. But guess what ? Those that supported the third reich, or who looked the other way and tolerated, did not do much better. Rape, pillage, beat, starve--that is what happened to the "good white blond haired blue eyed ordinary German citizens."

Don't kid yourself if you think you are on the side of power and might and about to run roughshod over those you view as the other side. What you dish out you get back in spades.

I would like to see an uprising all right, but a far more mature one than little boys wanting power to inflict war on fellow citizens. I would like to see the real patriotic Americans rise up and throw the radical left and the lunatic right on their cans in gitmo. Both sides.

And bring some sanity back.

Since that will take a while, today I am as prepped as I can get, and then busy taking care of my place and helping a sick neighbor with animals and feeding the hungry and praying like crazy that the insanity in this country is given the boot.

 

[Mike in Ohio]

But you are asking how we will prepare for a Civil War, but can't make the case for why a Civil War is likely to happen. I think a more likely event will be sabatoge of electrical system, water supply, or transportation system, in which case we are looking at regional disruption less than a Category 5 hurricane would have.

So you can't think of any circumstance where we might see civil war? None? You will make absolutely no preparations or even think about the impacts because you are 100% sure it won't/can't happen? OK. Why even bother participating in the thread? Any discussion is of no interest to you. Go back to going about your life.

 

[MoonRiver]

The invading force would blend in and organize war lords.

You need to stop thinking like this is 1980

And do what? China can't feed and house its own people. China can barely handle Tibet, and you think they could control the US?

 

[HDRider]

And do what? China can't feed and house its own people. China can barely handle Tibet, and you think they could control the US?

You don't China, or some other foreign power would make a play for our homeland?

Something would rise from the ashes. None of us know what it might look like.

 

[MoonRiver]

So you can't think of any circumstance where we might see civil war? None? You will make absolutely no preparations or even think about the impacts because you are 100% sure it won't/can't happen? OK. Why even bother participating in the thread? Any discussion is of no interest to you. Go back to going about your life.

I prepare for hurricanes, which are at least 1000 times more likely.

Why is it unreasonable for me to ask you to explain the basis for your assumption that a Civil War is something we need to prepare for?

 

[MoonRiver]

You don't China, or some other foreign power would make a play for our homeland?

Something would rise from the ashes. None of us know what it might look like.

You've gone from warlords to total destruction. What is your point? Why would China want to destroy the US? They need the US as much as the US needs China.

 

[HDRider]

So you can't think of any circumstance where we might see civil war? None? You will make absolutely no preparations or even think about the impacts because you are 100% sure it won't/can't happen? OK. Why even bother participating in the thread? Any discussion is of no interest to you. Go back to going about your life.

I don't think we will have a civil war. I think civil strife will increase, and the police state will grow stronger than it is today.
Trump is serious about ramping up the police state to curb Leftist ideals on crime. A lot of civil violence today, Antifa being one, is not organic. This is all something worth watching.

Don't underestimate inertia. In a metaphorical sense, inertia’s “power” could refer to its role in maintaining the status quo.

 

[JRHill02]

When I first moved from the city the location was deemed perfect. Most people fleeing the city would run out of gas before they got to our area. That solves one problem. And I don't have to tell you how the network of neighbors would work - ask @Cornhusker . Where we live now it is closer to population centers but we are again far enough from highways and county roads in difficult conditions that the bad guys will concentrate on the easier stuff. Heck the only way someone would know we are around is reading the tire tracks on the logging trail. And they'd give up after half a mile. What city person reads tire tracks on a trail?

To the OP and supplies if TSHTF, we already live like that. Not out of fear - it's just the way things are with no utilities available. And that is seasonally dependent. A summer civil disruption would be of no consequence. A winter disruption would have us on generator backup. We could go 8+ weeks. Then a bunch of weeks further pulling from vehicles leaving enough to make them useful. We have what we need. Whether civil unrest or a winter storm it is prudent to have what you need before it happens, within reason for your location.

You want to know what worries me? It's the non-resident folk (neighbors) who got to their bug out location without adequate supplies. When they run out of gasoline, water and food supplies and our lights are on - there will be issues. By then maybe some of our kids will be here if they can make it. We can't sustain people who relied on infrastructure that failed. The first priority is to our subsistence and family.

In the end we don't prepare for civil war any more than we would for 4' of snow that lasts. No, I won't get into defense because the cougars and bear are already enough. And, ya know, they get hungry and pick easy targets to our advantage.

 

[HDRider]

You've gone from warlords to total destruction. What is your point? Why would China want to destroy the US? They need the US as much as the US needs China.

I have no idea what form it will take. But I do think the chances of a foreign force, especially one that fomented so much discord, is high.

 

[Big_Al]

Civil War would be when a segment of society goes to war with the government.
IF that happened it would be over quickly.

If you mean Balkanization, that is more likely.

Wife and I have years worth of supplies put back, and not just food.
Plus we live in a very conservative rural area so I’m not worried about our neighbors.
We will be just fine.

 

[HDRider]

So you can't think of any circumstance where we might see civil war? None? You will make absolutely no preparations or even think about the impacts because you are 100% sure it won't/can't happen? OK.

It seems the worm has turned. In the past you loved throwing your nonsense term "doom porn" at me.

 

[Saltflats]

Civil War is the least likely thing to prepare for. Less likely to happen than a natural disaster or an attack from another country by arms, hacking, or chemical.

 

[JRHill02]

It seems the worm has turned. In the past you loved throwing your nonsense term "doom porn" at me.

Stop it. This is a new, valid thread. Address it for what it is.

 

[muleskinner2]

The Civil War was two governments fighting each other. I don't think it will be like that. Any actual fighting will likely be small groups fighting each other. The local governments will secure water, and power plants in order to keep things running.

There are plans in place to deal with things like this. It will be hectic at first, but people will adjust to the new reality. We had months of rioting in major cities. I think it will be more of that on a larger scale. The kind of leadership we have on the federal level, will determine how bad it gets and how long it will last.

Law Enforcement and private security forces will adapt a shoot first and ask questions later policy. Anyone attacking a power plant, or water treatment facility will be shot on sight.

Some very harsh laws will get passed in a short period of time, and things will be very different. Elected officials will use this for their own advantage. They will tell even more lies than they do now, and drag it out longer than need be. Lives will be lost, and money will be made. People will panic and over react, and act like people always do.

Those who are prepared will prosper, and those who aren't prepared will suffer. Prices will go up, but medications will still be out there just harder to get.

Stock up on booze and ammunition, and any meds that you need. If you don't drink, you will be able to trade the booze for anything you need.

My grandfather ran a small grocery store during the Depression. He had a simple policy and he prospered. People have to eat, and some of them will always want to drink. Sell them what they want, and don't give any credit.

 

[Adirondackian]

I think there is a good case for civil war at some point. Like Ohio Mike, my weak point would be primarily fuel. Of course we dont know how any of it will unfold so its impossible to know what we will have access to and what we wont.

My power comes from Canada [?], so we might not have a problem with power...but you dont know whether it will be sabotaged, or rationed...or what?

 

[HDRider]

Stop it. This is a new, valid thread. Address it for what it is.

Bugger off.

He hit me with that label a hundred times. I want to know why he is now singing a new tune.

 

[muleskinner2]

Stock up on coffee and chocolate. If you don't drink coffee, or eat chocolate that's even better. Use it for trade goods. In Liberia I traded shotgun shells for meat, propane, and gasoline.

Stacked firewood is like money in the bank. If you don't shoot, learn how. Looters won't care about your politics, they will take what they want and destroy anything they can't carry off.