[bacgly]

I know you are an irrational being, and to expect you to think rationally is entirely irrational on my part. But, here it goes.

We have seen our jobs go overseas for decades. There is only one way to bring them back. That one way is to raise the cost of foreign made goods. The only way to do that is tariffs.

It will hurt for a while.

Approximately 163,200 permanent jobs relocated from outside the US to the US based on 2025 announcements.

Broader trends suggest cumulative reshoring with foreign development investments could add 350,000+ jobs annually.

The foreign development investment is over one trillion dollars. The annual payroll for these jobs is ~$20 billion.

Gee, posted like someone trying to maintain their "top contrib .. per month" And like all rightys lookin for mfg to be brought, home your numbers are just so much bs. Obviously you don't no what irrational means considering your choice for leadersihip.

 

[bacgly]

WASHINGTON, Sept 25 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday that the United States would give proceeds from tariff revenues to farmers.

And we all no he doesn't lie.

 

[Saltflats]

They are both important and they are both unsustainable in a climate of falling global dollar demand.

I agree. That is why I believe the tariffs, as they are, will only hurt our economy and the general public. It will not bring the manufacturing jobs back.

 

[HDRider]

I agree. That is why I believe the tariffs, as they are, will only hurt our economy and the general public. It will not bring the manufacturing jobs back.

Let's take popular wisdom on display here and agree many of those jobs have evaporated.

How would you bring back the ones that could be real jobs here?

 

[Mike in Ohio]

Yesterday my wife and I went to the customer appreciation event at our local Farm Credit office. A lot of the conversation was about soybeans, corn and other crops. Farmers are hurting big time. Storage bins are full and there is still a lot to be harvested. Nobody has mentioned corn in this thread. Many farmers store corn in the bins after they ship soybeans. For many there is no place to store corn that is just starting to be harvested. Tariffs are hitting inputs such as tractors/equipment, fertilizer, etc. It has taken years for farmers to build up China as an export market for soybeans.

@Orchardsmith wrote:

"Anyone with beans in the bin can sell them today for $9.51-9.91, depending on delivery date."

That sounds good except that before all this started the price per bushel was around $13. One of the farmers at the event has 2,500 acres of beans. The average soybean yield in the U.S. is about 52 bushels per acre,That is a $390,000 drop in revenue.

It's real easy to say that's the price you pay if you aren't the one paying the price. The other shoe is that many more jobs have been lost to automation than have been exported to other countries. All those jobs aren't coming back no matter what you do.

 

[Kiamichi Kid]

Our farmers are being destroyed. No need for the FarmAid concert if they were doing swell, huh?

Amazing how willing some are to opine that the OTHER GUY just needs to suck it up and suffer for a while.

I wonder how many are going to be all that happy when they make a "run for the border" or swing by wallyworld and the shelves are bare.

IF you support the tariffs, you better danged well be growing your own food, using stuff up, wearing it out, making it do, or doing without. Because the last time we tried this particular type of tariff ploy it triggered the Great Depression.

I’ve been doing that my entire life already, and yes I support the tariffs 💯 %!!!

 

[Orchardsmith]

They arent coming back. If corporations are forced to produce consumer goods in USA to avoid mega tariffs, it will be super automated and only handful of highly skilled jobs created. Tariffs might been effective in 1970s and 1980s. Two much water under the bridge now and technology has changed. For example a Ford factory that used used to hire hundreds for assembly line work, now just need couple dozen. Its same in Europe and Japan. Likely China moving that direction too if they havent already.

Even better AI is taking over low end and middle level white collar jobs. Not exactly who they think will buy their products if nobody has a job nor can afford corporate managed rentals. The heyday of 1950s when everybody else had manufacturin g decimated by WWII is gone. But suppose maybe the fantasy wont go away until all the boomer have passed.

Yeah, Go AI! Take over more jobs! Make more people redundant and dependent! Go! Fight! Win!

 

[Orchardsmith]

They are both important and they are both unsustainable in a climate of falling global dollar demand.

Wow. Now the debt is a problem, huh? Amazing. And interesting.

 

[Adirondackian]

Yeah, Go AI! Take over more jobs! Make more people redundant and dependent! Go! Fight! Win!

Its progress. You are now obsolete.

 

[Supervisor42]

This country needs to end it's China addiction.
Yes, many will go through withdrawal. There will be some pain.
Farmers may want to switch to raising something besides soybeans, like corn, or...
We grow tons of sugarcane down here, and make lots of money.
Maybe Wal-Mart would be better if 90% of the stuff on their shelves didn't say 'Made in China' on the label?
What if most of it said 'Made in the USA' instead?
Just a few decades ago we were self-sufficient... We can do it again.
We just need to put down the crack-pipe called China.

 

[Orchardsmith]

Yesterday my wife and I went to the customer appreciation event at our local Farm Credit office. A lot of the conversation was about soybeans, corn and other crops. Farmers are hurting big time. Storage bins are full and there is still a lot to be harvested. Nobody has mentioned corn in this thread. Many farmers store corn in the bins after they ship soybeans. For many there is no place to store corn that is just starting to be harvested. Tariffs are hitting inputs such as tractors/equipment, fertilizer, etc. It has taken years for farmers to build up China as an export market for soybeans.

@Orchardsmith wrote:

"Anyone with beans in the bin can sell them today for $9.51-9.91, depending on delivery date."

That sounds good except that before all this started the price per bushel was around $13. One of the farmers at the event has 2,500 acres of beans. The average soybean yield in the U.S. is about 52 bushels per acre,That is a $390,000 drop in revenue.

It's real easy to say that's the price you pay if you aren't the one paying the price. The other shoe is that many more jobs have been lost to automation than have been exported to other countries. All those jobs aren't coming back no matter what you do.

Tell anyone they are free to contract for beans at a future date and the same for corn. Maybe it’s time to think about a real farm with a real crop rotation and some livestock. I know, I know. Lotta work.

 

[bacgly]

ok. you can wake up now.
while we're giving up stuff, why not gasoline? why not guns?
your a dreamer if you think the economy can stand some journey
back in time to the cave man era. wake up.

 

[Mike in Ohio]

Tell anyone they are free to contract for beans at a future date and the same for corn. Maybe it’s time to think about a real farm with a real crop rotation and some livestock. I know, I know. Lotta work.

Who am I going to believe, you or a hundred or so farmers that have 10s of thousands of acres? I run a small cattle operation but I'll taketheir word over yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[Orchardsmith]

ok. you can wake up now.
while we're giving up stuff, why not gasoline? why not guns?
your a dreamer if you think the economy can stand some journey
back in time to the cave man era. wake up.

LOL. You first. And who said anything about the cave man era except for you? I don’t think most of the people on this site are sleeping. Projection, maybe?

 

[Orchardsmith]

Who am I going to believe, you or a hundred or so farmers that have 10s of thousands of acres? I run a small cattle operation but I'll taketheir word over yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Suits me. I didn’t ask you to take my word about anything. If you don’t want info I offer, then go down to the elevator or go online and check yourself. What is it you’re having trouble believing?

 

[Supervisor42]

ok. you can wake up now.
while we're giving up stuff, why not gasoline? why not guns?
your a dreamer if you think the economy can stand some journey
back in time to the cave man era. wake up.

... Because gasoline and guns are produced in the US, and not China!!
Our problem is China!!!

 

[HDRider]

... Because gasoline and guns are produced in the US, and not China!!
Our problem is China!!!

Our problem is ourselves. China is just taking advantage of it.

 

[Wanda]

Suits me. I didn’t ask you to take my word about anything. If you don’t want info I offer, then go down to the elevator or go online and check yourself. What is it you’re having trouble believing?

Basis sets the price. The price on the bot is a starting point. No bidders no sale.

 

[Mike in Ohio]

Suits me. I didn’t ask you to take my word about anything. If you don’t want info I offer, then go down to the elevator or go online and check yourself. What is it you’re having trouble believing?

I have trouble believing someone who doesn't raise soybeans. In the cattle business you are what is called someone who is all hat and no cattle.

 

[Orchardsmith]

Basis sets the price. The price on the bot is a starting point. No bidders no sale.

“the bot”?