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Pretty simple arithmetic-- You run a business that makes an acceptable profit. You make it while paying 10 employees each $10/hr-- total payroll $100/hr x 8 hr/d = $800/d --that's $80/worker; total 80 man-hrs per day.

They raise min wage to $15/hr, so in order to maintain your barely acceptable profit, you have to keep weekly payroll at that same $800...To do that, 800/15 = 53 man-hrs per day, or 6.6 workers -- You'd have to fire 3.4 workers.

So in the end, 6.6 workers would get richer (while working harder), but 3.4 would have no income at all....What happened to Income Equality?

The Socialists whine "You can't raise a family on $10/hr"... Who says you're supposed to?
 
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Yep.the Laffer Curve has a 100% historic accuracy rate. It applies to income and taxation equally. But in today's world, feeling that you did something "good" is better than actually doing something good,even if what you did to make yourself feel good results in the completely opposite of what you thought you would accomplish
Yes, that dreaded, awful, reliable Laffers curve gets in the way doesn't it?
 
We don't need money. Everything will soon be free.

You will own nothing, and be happy

 
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Anyone notice how chicken has got more expensive in the last ten years? I used to be able to buy a whole chicken for less than a dollar. Now you are lucky to find it less than a dollar a pound. Pilgrim's Pride and Tyson are now union and starting wages are close to 15 an hour.
 
Anyone notice how chicken has got more expensive in the last ten years? I used to be able to buy a whole chicken for less than a dollar. Now you are lucky to find it less than a dollar a pound. Pilgrim's Pride and Tyson are now union and starting wages are close to 15 an hour.
I would not lay that on hourly workers. I would lay that on industry consolidation and less competition.
 
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Anyone notice how chicken has got more expensive in the last ten years? I used to be able to buy a whole chicken for less than a dollar. Now you are lucky to find it less than a dollar a pound. Pilgrim's Pride and Tyson are now union and starting wages are close to 15 an hour.
I gave you a "like" because you're right about that...It's not that I like it one bit.
 
Anyone notice how chicken has got more expensive in the last ten years? I used to be able to buy a whole chicken for less than a dollar. Now you are lucky to find it less than a dollar a pound. Pilgrim's Pride and Tyson are now union and starting wages are close to 15 an hour.
I have a good friend in maintenance at Pilgrims. When they have a case sale to employees he hooks me up. I got 100lbs of boneless breast and 50lbs of boneless thighs for $100 last week!
 
I have a good friend in maintenance at Pilgrims. When they have a case sale to employees he hooks me up. I got 100lbs of boneless breast and 50lbs of boneless thighs for $100 last week!
Pilgrims is owned by Brazilian JBS. The worlds largest meat processor
 
I can't remember where I recently heard or read this recently, but the minimum wage jobs weren't designed to be retired from. They're intended as a stepping stone, for the retired, youngsters in school, etc. While I think that's a quick summary, it does have a valid ring and highlights the point of education.
 
I don't know what You all earn or earned , but $15 is nothing nowadays. Wages have stagnated over the last several decades- this is long overdue. Low wage earners need some incentive, otherwise its just not worth it , to work for nothing. Come on all of You 'high rollers', with all of your money- time to share a little!
 
I don't know what You all earn or earned , but $15 is nothing nowadays. Wages have stagnated over the last several decades- this is long overdue. Low wage earners need some incentive, otherwise its just not worth it , to work for nothing. Come on all of You 'high rollers', with all of your money- time to share a little!
A roof over your head and a full belly sounds like a good alternative to a homeless camp!?
 
I don't know what You all earn or earned , but $15 is nothing nowadays. Wages have stagnated over the last several decades- this is long overdue. Low wage earners need some incentive, otherwise its just not worth it , to work for nothing. Come on all of You 'high rollers', with all of your money- time to share a little!
The most I ever earned was $8 hour. My investments allowed me to retire early.
 
Come on all of You 'high rollers', with all of your money- time to share a little!
That's right - bring those who through hard work, innovation and brain power down to your sloth- like living. What I worked for is NOT yours!
 
I don't know what You all earn or earned , but $15 is nothing nowadays. Wages have stagnated over the last several decades- this is long overdue. Low wage earners need some incentive, otherwise its just not worth it , to work for nothing. Come on all of You 'high rollers', with all of your money- time to share a little!
The real minimum wage is 0. The higher you mandate the wage to be, the more are going to be earning that 0 as their jobs are outsourced elsewhere, eliminated through technology or just economically unfeasible.
 
I don't know what You all earn or earned , but $15 is nothing nowadays. Wages have stagnated over the last several decades- this is long overdue. Low wage earners need some incentive, otherwise its just not worth it , to work for nothing. Come on all of You 'high rollers', with all of your money- time to share a little!
The only ones that will be affected adversely by a higher minimum wage are small businesses and lower level employees. It sure as hell won't be the "high rollers".
 
Pretty simple arithmetic-- You run a business that makes an acceptable profit. You make it while paying 10 employees each $10/hr-- total payroll $100/hr x 8 hr/d = $800/d --that's $80/worker; total 80 man-hrs per day.

They raise min wage to $15/hr, so in order to maintain your barely acceptable profit, you have to keep weekly payroll at that same $800...To do that, 800/15 = 53 man-hrs per day, or 6.6 workers -- You'd have to fire 3.4 workers.

So in the end, 6.6 workers would get richer (while working harder), but 3.4 would have no income at all....What happened to Income Equality?

The Socialists whine "You can't raise a family on $10/hr"... Who says you're supposed to?
The idea is that the 3.4 workers with "no income at all" would find other work and fill a niche where they, too, "get richer." Aren't ya'll always first in line to bang that, "If you don't like it, find a new job!!?!?" drum?

Meanwhile, the 6.6 workers can quit their excessive part-time jobs because they can self-support on only the first job. This frees positions for the 3.4 workers to fill, and shifts the need from "many part times" to "a few but full shifts." Again, more stable and better for the working class.

I spent several years working with small businesses -- both for them, and in support of them. There is one thing that a lot of these businesses had in common, and that was an obsession with monstrous, rapid growth. They would out-grow themselves, while never providing raises to their workers. Instead, they'd only add more workers at the bottom wage when their current staff could no longer physically support the workload (which always seemed to get worse). Many of these idiots would suck their company dry to pay for personal expenses (new house, new boat, etc). Then something happens, like a minor law changes or taxes change, and suddenly they can't afford all of their bottom-of-the-barrel employees because they didn't budget for higher human resource expenses. And who do they blame? The Democrats, or the government, or their competition, or the workers themselves for being "greedy takers" who "refuse to work." Never themselves, the business owners who should have been dripping cost-of-living adjustments and wages to keep time with their growth, and leaving their company coffers alone.
 
I don't know what You all earn or earned , but $15 is nothing nowadays. Wages have stagnated over the last several decades- this is long overdue. Low wage earners need some incentive, otherwise its just not worth it , to work for nothing. Come on all of You 'high rollers', with all of your money- time to share a little!
Since this is a homesteading forum, I'll reply based on that group of people.
If you are a kid living at home, $15 x 40 hours=$600 before Uncle Sugar. That isn't bad walking around money with bills like their cell phone and internet and gamestop.
If you are a newlywed couple and both working for comparable incomes, $1200 a week is a living income.
If you have credit cards, multiple car payments, multiple cell phones, cable, internet, perpetual dinner out, that is a "you" problem.

Question- Why isn't hunger an incentive? Or self motivation?
I think the truth is that some want a mandated wage that includes discretional income.
 
Here is yet another thumbnail of a conversation I had with one of my son's college pals over the topic.

Kid- "A higher wage levels the playing field."
Me- "How so?"
Kid- "Young people need equal pay just like women."
Me- "...ok, I think that relates to the job position more than the person."
Kid- "Yeah, well, paying people better means they will do a better job."
Me- "You mean if I'm not getting their best effort at $12 an hour I would at $15?"
Kid- "Probably."
Me- "If someone is purposely slacking and getting paid for it, shouldn't I just fire them and hire someone who is willing to earn their way up the ladder?"
Kid- "That isn't fair to the guy you fired. He just wants what he deserves."
Me- "Well what about the worker that has been there for 5 years making $15?"
Kid- "That is like slavery. They should get more, a lot more."
Me- "So, like $20? $25 per hour."
Kid- "Pay them more and you'll get a better product and people will want to come back to do business with you. So you would make more money in the end."
Me- "I'd have to raise prices to absorb the higher labor costs."
Kid- "That's a myth. Besides, nobody that owns a business is living in the poor house."

Class envy
A lack of business comprehension
A bias formed off of the cliff notes of modern main stream media
Myopia. His dad is a successful music producer.

This is a kid attending a major university who is seeking a major in marketing. To be fair, he is a freshman...

BTW, the phrase "Level the playing field" is a sports analogy, and implies the participants are paid based on skills, talent and production.
 
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