I don't see anything like that in this country, unless you live close to an urban area that has organized gang activity. If that's the case where you live I'd suggest semi-auto rifles in .308 with 20 round magazines. That beats the hell out of anything most gangbangers will have. As in reach out and touch ... If that's beyond your budget, at least get a .270 or even a .22-250 with a scope and practice, practice, practice on your place. It would help to range, get the distances to, all of the places on your property that could be used for cover by someone tresspassing.

Of course if you happened to set some of those places up so they would be seen as convenient for someone coming onto your place, that opens up a few other possibilities.

Yet another reason I came back to WV.

 

There has been a good deal of VERY ugly history in that country . . .

 

I worked at Sam's Club back in '98 and a recent immigrant from South America came in. Just being friendly I asked him why he moved. He said his neighbor and the family were hacked to death by machetes and it was time to go. Very scary.

 

Wow. Thanks Ernie, that was interesting. I cannot imagine living that way, especially if they have children.

I found this interesting: {Quote} The ANC government's response to this has been largely defiant. As Charles Ngacula, Safety and Security Minister under the previous administration of Thabo Mbeki, said: 'They can continue to whinge until they're blue in the face, be as negative as they want to, or they can simply leave this country.' {Quote}

I guess they can't sell their properties and start over elsewhere, or they would have. And why should they have to leave after being there for generations? But that is easy for me to say, I'm not living in siege.

It is also interesting to see that the farms are falling into ruin when the original owners are murdered, or driven out. Guess no one can think far enough ahead to see they will all starve to death. That is something I CAN see happening here. If the SHTF, you would have to protect your livestock with your life, as not one single person would give a fig that they were killing your brood stock. And how could you possibly protect your gardens?

Lots to think about. Those poor people will be in my prayers, that is for sure. I cannot imagine living with that kind of fear.

 

When this happened in Zimbabwe under Mugabe, Zimbabwe went from a "food secure" nation to an insecure (read starving) one in less than half a generation. Those that took the farms didn't know good farming practices so the food supply collapsed.

Will the same happen to SA?

 

I guess the closest thing we have to that situation in this country is the folks who live along the Mexican border.

 

It's not only possible that this could happen here, it's quite likely, at least in some areas. It may not be black vs. white, it may be La Raza vs. American. But it probably will happen.

Kathleen

 

If TSHTF then you would have 'warlord' type leaders of groups that would be claiming property for themselves a'la feudal lords. They would ahve toadies willing to work it for them etc.. adn the toadies would then be protected by the said 'lord'.

Protection groups/village mentality would be a necessity if you and your neighbors want to keep your land.

 

My first preparation, if I lived in SA and chose to stay, would be some method of keeping my brains inside my skull. Smashing skulls and removing the brains, setting them beside the body, seems to be a sort of trophy.

Used to be a website, AfricanCrisis, that showed very graphic photos of the murder victims and details of the murders. Factual, but very graphic, and not for the weak of stomach or faint of heart. Don't know if it is still a functioning website or not, but no doubt there are many others to google. This is not new news, and has been going on for several years now.

 

If you're going to lie on the ground to shoot, you severely limit your range of motion by lying on your stomach.

It's much better to lie on your back with your feet in the general direction of the target to give yourself more mobility.

If you don't think it's true, try the two positions and see which one lets you cover more angles with less effort

On a side note, the Street Sweeper was deveolped in SA for this sort of thing, but the ATF decided they are too dangerous for US citizens, and declared them to be Class III firearms

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We don't know why they were pictured in the photos laying down to shoot. There are times when it's a viable option. Hopefully they're being taught other firing positions as well. I suspect they are. Those Boers know their stuff. They're no stranger to this sort of thing, and it's what they've been anticipating all through the long years of Apartheid.

 

Well, they are armed and practicing. It bothers me that they are all sleeping at night. If possible I would have someone awake at all times. Even with a dog or other "alarm" the first few seconds when you wake to a disturbance you are very disoreinted. It seems they get most attacks at night so this would be a basic tactic I would think.

I don't know what their laws cover but I would not allow squatters. If they are not confronted it shows weakness and a willingness to let things slide. Plus they are closer. I prefer to act rather than react.

I don't see inner city gangs as a threat to land in the states. These are people that generally havn't grown anything but maybe a pot plant. They will not want the work that goes with a farm. I do feel there could be a threat of theiving and robbing from them though. I have a feeling they will be wanderers and slow to leave the city.

Threats to land would come from others.

 

Well, so far what you have is large groups of squatters coming to live on the land and then getting closer and closer to the main houses in a threatening manner. The farmers aren't allowed to drive them away and the government won't do anything about it. The farmers who have tried have been arrested and charged with various crimes, depending upon how they went about it.

In many of the farm attacks so far, it's just been thugs who came in to victimize and steal. And those farm attacks have been absolutely horrific and mostly remain unsolved and uninvestigated, which emboldens further attacks.

I don't know what it is that makes these people stay. Some kind of inner strength drawn from living on the land there grandfather's grandfathers carved out of the wilderness, and in communities of families who all live the same way. I heard it said once that when African soil gets under your nails it works its way to your heart and you can never leave.

 

Amazingly sad.

And yes, this is EXACTLY what I see as a real possibility.

It took years to build up to this after 84. Machete attacks right away, yes, but the organized method of taking over and taking out the decent people took some time.

Once the grasshoppers here run out of easy pickings, they will inevitably turn to what they think will give them long term resources.

Unfortunately, here it won't be a quick death for all. In the west you'll have the La Raza people who will do that and take over the land. In the eastern half of the nation, you'll get some of that...particularly in florida and a few other states but for the most, you'll get made into slaves to keep working the land.

These people are hampered by the government ensuring they can't fight back. It isn't just racism...it's death penalty by racism.

 

The cards are stacked against them. Their own government is conspiring against them, not allowing them to roust squatters. Best thing for them to do is get the heck out of there, let the tribes have the land and let them all starve.

Staying is not a sign of strength IMO. There is a fine line between courage and foolishness.

 

I guess the closest thing we have to that situation in this country is the folks who live along the Mexican border.

It's not only possible that this could happen here, it's quite likely, at least in some areas. It may not be black vs. white, it may be La Raza vs. American. But it probably will happen.
Kathleen

It IS happening here along the Mexico/US border. US citizens are being killed by lawless illegal aliens coming across our border. Not to forget Mexican gang killings in places like Phoenix. And Americans are not being supported by the federal government. Some are afraid to leave their ranches unprotected (meaning one family member stays home while the other goes to town) due to this. And that's just the surface - the untold millions spent on repairing ranch fences, trash, border fencing that doesn't work, etc. Big Sis needs to get her head out of the sand, quit mouthing party line and be moved to Mexico.

And many Mexican youth, even if American citizens, are for taking back what they believe to be Mexican land. Look at the youth leaving school to march against bill 1070.

I won't even talk about the local government that supports this illegal activity by becoming a Sanctuary city.

:flame:

 

I worked at Sam's Club back in '98 and a recent immigrant from South America came in. Just being friendly I asked him why he moved. He said his neighbor and the family were hacked to death by machetes and it was time to go. Very scary.

I've met white South African families who have emigrated from that nation with similar stories. They feel unsafe there now.

 

Basically it's the white people getting a taste of their own medicine. Sorry, but it's true. Even if it happened generations ago. But there is still a few very, very old black people living in Africa who still remembers being removed from their village cause a white rancher had a deed from the white government to that particular land the village was located on. The village was probably their since the dawn of Christianity. The black people were ran off and pushed into getto's to live in little make shift shacks made out of tin roofing found at the city dump. Also, where they get most of their food from as paying jobs were only for white africans. This is why Mandela spent years in prison cause of the treatment that black people were still getting in this modern world. He spoke up against it and was sent to prison for it.

Will something like this happen to the United States? I would say it could very well happen. But by who? There's not a whole lot of full blooded native americans as most have interracial marriages with whites and like me (1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 european descendant) am proud of both sides of my ancestories. So I don't think you will see a uprising from the Cherokee's or other eastern band native americans.

My theory is the southern part of the United States may be taken over by the Spanish/Indians of Mexico, Central America, and South America. The eastern part of the United States may become Muslima Nation.(Anyone notice the growing population of muslems in this country), and the western part of the nation will be taken over by the Asian population. Maybe ruled by China. But I don't think these new groups of people will tolerate each other and they my draw a boundry line claiming their own country, dividing our nation up.

Will the whites be driven off their land? I don't think so, they will probably be intermarriages that will slowly phase out the European bloodline. It's been a known fact for several years now that people of the European blood have become a minority in this country. As a lot of people, even if their skin is white, who has any black, native american, spanish, or asian in their blood, do not claim to be of the white race when filling out applications and such.

So relax, your still going to have a home for a while.

 

Basically it's the white people getting a taste of their own medicine. Sorry, but it's true. Even if it happened generations ago. But there is still a few very, very old black people living in Africa who still remembers being removed from their village cause a white rancher had a deed from the white government to that particular land the village was located on. The village was probably their since the dawn of Christianity. The black people were ran off and pushed into getto's to live in little make shift shacks made out of tin roofing found at the city dump. Also, where they get most of their food from as paying jobs were only for white africans. This is why Mandela spent years in prison cause of the treatment that black people were still getting in this modern world. He spoke up against it and was sent to prison for it.

Will something like this happen to the United States? I would say it could very well happen. But by who? There's not a whole lot of full blooded native americans as most have interracial marriages with whites and like me (1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 european descendant) am proud of both sides of my ancestories. So I don't think you will see a uprising from the Cherokee's or other eastern band native americans.

My theory is the southern part of the United States may be taken over by the Spanish/Indians of Mexico, Central America, and South America. The eastern part of the United States may become Muslima Nation.(Anyone notice the growing population of muslems in this country), and the western part of the nation will be taken over by the Asian population. Maybe ruled by China. But I don't think these new groups of people will tolerate each other and they my draw a boundry line claiming their own country, dividing our nation up.

Will the whites be driven off their land? I don't think so, they will probably be intermarriages that will slowly phase out the European bloodline. It's been a known fact for several years now that people of the European blood have become a minority in this country. As a lot of people, even if their skin is white, who has any black, native american, spanish, or asian in their blood, do not claim to be of the white race when filling out applications and such.

So relax, your still going to have a home for a while.

 

Wow, I hardly post at all but really tired of all this bash Spanish people stuff. It's really nice how a cool link about Africa, how they are dealing with their lethal form of racism/survival, turned into Scary Mexicans and Hispanics thread.

If anyone wants to take back 'White Man's' land from a scary Mexican-American, my mom has been trying to sell a few properties in Fl, anyone want to make an offer?

So as a Hispanic, should I prep for racist 'white folks' keeping the land safe from Hispanics? I'm familiar with the neo-nazis, KKK and such, they were strong in my town growing up, but wondering aloud if we're seeing a revival in the name of patriotism.

Well, I better stop before I sucked in some what seems like useless racist tripe. :soap:

 

Leo - no one is against LEGAL immigration of any type.

But, most here are absolutely against the ILLEGAL issues of those coming to take what is not their's. Services, land, goods, etc. Unfortunately, for what sensibilities you have expressed, most of the visible ones appear to be hispanic.

I am wondering why it would bother you, if you are legal here, that American Citizens do not want illegals (which appear to be mostly Hispanics) taking what we've worked for.
If it's good enough to be here, it's good enough to do it legally and be governed by all the rules and pay into all the systems.

 

Leo - no one is against LEGAL immigration of any type.

But, most here are absolutely against the ILLEGAL issues of those coming to take what is not their's. Services, land, goods, etc. Unfortunately, for what sensibilities you have expressed, most of the visible ones appear to be hispanic.

I am wondering why it would bother you, if you are legal here, that American Citizens do not want illegals (which appear to be mostly Hispanics) taking what we've worked for.
If it's good enough to be here, it's good enough to do it legally and be governed by all the rules and pay into all the systems.

Well said. Is there a hug smiley in here? :goodjob: I suppose this will have to do.

 

Basically it's the white people getting a taste of their own medicine. Sorry, but it's true.

It is true. But two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Hi,

most of the visible ones appear to be hispanic

Sad but true, at least, out west, especially with the mess Mexico is in. It does grind my gizzard that illegal Mexicans have made it bad for all Hispanics, but on that same note, not all brown hair/eyes Hispanics are illegal, nor deserve such treatment as if.

In my area where I grew up, seems that young white and african-american kids were the most trouble. Even recently, when I left Fl, lots of mixed raced and foreign born nationalities(mostly Indian)friends had the biggest problem with white supremacist attacks. I've been harasssed to go back to china(this was prior to the Hispanic influx, now when that happens, I get told to go back to whatever Mexico, told DH it's at least close to my nationality, I'm quite the Heinz 57), kicked out of black-only parks(cause I was white), witnessed KKK rallies on mainstreet,(not white so had to hide from that) etc. So I guess I'm a bit touchy on racism.

So I'm more of the type, that yeah, illegal aliens of ANY race suck, just not all hispanics, spanish, etc. And just because someone has brown hair/eyes doesn't mean they are illegal.

So, seeing the whole scary Spanish stuff just hits home for me, but on the other end, as I get the righteous trying to 'reclaim' America for Americans, even though, I myself was born and raised in the continental US.
Okay, Much longer winded than expected.

 

I'm afraid, I would pack up and leave. As long as there is some place else to go, it's not worth dying over.

Now, if there is no safe place to take the family, that's different. But if the entire government wants you dead, that's not the same as fighting off a few marauders.