Well I'm glad you're not sure.. Better person than me...

 

I dont forgive him.

 

Me either!

 

It would be my goal to forgive, if I were in a similar situation.

It's probably difficult and something that is done over, and over, not a one time deal. It's a practice to remember not to hate when hate is thrown at you. When it is a natural response to jump on the hate vibration, it pulls us in.

Forgiveness brings peace
Forgiveness is releasing anger that only hurts the one who is angry
Forgiveness is showing love
Love is way better feeling than anger

 

The New Testament makes the Ten Commandments look easy.

For you as a person

Matthew 6:14-15: “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”​

Colossians 3:13: “Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.”​

Romans 12:19-21: “Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘It is mine to avenge; I will repay,’ says the Lord… Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”​

For the state

Romans 13:1-4: “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established… For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.”​

1 Peter 2:13-14: “Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority… who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.”​

Forgiving a murderer is an act of obedience, not a denial of the crime’s severity.

 

I hope someday to be wise enough to understand some of the stuff in the new testament. I was raised with it as a Christian but the old testament makes alot more sense to me.


'Eye for eye' seems wiser, more responsible, and more balanced than 'turn the other cheek'. Literally nobody benefits when we turn the other cheek. We fail to protect ourselves [ which is immoral ], we fail to correct our attacker's behavior, we harm those who love us [ who will also be hurt by allowing ourselves to be abused ] and we do nothing to prevent future attacks on others.

Seems like an all around failure in every way. I pray for the wisdom to comprehend it.

 

I hope someday to be wise enough to understand some of the stuff in the new testament.

Look at it like this, if it matters.
What this young man did to Charlie Kirk isn't something you need to forgive, at least on a personal level.
HDrider quoted the NT and nothing in those verses commands you to forgive someone that harmed a person you did not know.
His parents, family, wife, etc were wronged.
You can choose to pray for him while he rots in prison.

His wife Erika has publicy stated that she forgives him. If you believe in the tenets of the Bible, her forgiveness is now there for him to accept if he repents.
That is the same deal Christ gave you.

 

“I acknowledge that I am very angry,” said the sister of DePayne Middleton-Doctor. “But one thing that DePayne always enjoined in our family … is she taught me that we are the family that love built. We have no room for hating, so we have to forgive. I pray God on your soul.”

“I forgive you,” Nadine Collier, the daughter of 70-year-old Ethel Lance, said at the hearing, her voice breaking with emotion. “You took something very precious from me. I will never talk to her again. I will never, ever hold her again. But I forgive you. And have mercy on your soul.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/06/19/i-forgive-you-relatives-of-charleston-church-victims-address-dylann-roof/

"I was here the night when it happened, but I left before he came in and did the damage," says longtime church member Theodora Watson.

"I still don't forgive him because you took something out of us and out of this church," she says of the shooter Dylann Roof, now on federal death row for the murders.

10 years after the deadly church shooting, a new history of 'Mother Emanuel'

Reporter Kevin Sack's new book is a history of Charleston's Emanuel AME Church, the oldest Black congregation in the South, where a white supremacist killed nine worshippers a decade ago.

www.southcarolinapublicradio.org

 

Concepts of martyrdom, gaslighting and grandstanding can look good at first glance, but if used to legitimize the furtherance of societal divides, and most importantly , to further errode freedom, it could be bad. I see a lot of discussion of "spiritual war" that we're in, and people clapping over the idea of limits on free speech, and it seems like, if there is a religious alt-right group of fascists, Charlie did more by taking a bullet for the cause than he could have ever done speaking. I'm not a liberal, but I can see how if I was, these would be scary times, where I might question if the dude is really dead.

 

We are in a spiritual war, but I sure ain't clapping in support of limiting speech.

I hope the idea of us (I am going to define "us" as anyone who is a not divider and not an advocate of identity politics) starting to fight back scares the living daylights out of the Left.

 

It could be argued that while engaging in a spiritual war it would not possible to not be a divider or an advocate of identity politics. Religion being the very definition of identity politics.

 

I was not considering religion at all in my definition of "spiritual war". I think the Left is anti-American, pure and simple.

The Left has a spirit, and I am at war with it.

For the record, I do not believe any faith or religion should be sanctioned as a government. That is how you fall into the abyss of a cult.

 

The free speech issue has always carried the caveat that you cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater. Can you go on national TV day after day and scream "fascist, fascist, fascist....Hitler, Hitler, Hitler" to the point that your audience begins shooting people?

 

some times forgiveness isn't about that person , it is about you and taking care of you

it is you choosing not to burn yourself up with hate and anger at that person.

because hate and anger , the rage , it consumes you not them, it harms you not them.

you could easily forgive someone and still never talk to them again , you weren't friends , you were never going to be friends and you will still never be friends.
It doesn't mean you don't want the law to imprison them , or put them to the death penalty , it means you are bowing out of the anger game.

too many seem to have a Kindergarten understanding of forgiveness , that expects you were friends and are going to get back to being friends.