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#1 ·
I am planning to mmove to my farm very soon, and I am looking to get a LGD, or two. My big question is that I need a guard dog, but I plan to many guest on the farm, so I need the dog, or dogs to be people friendly, or at least tolerant. Here are some breeds I have read about but no very little about other than what I have read. Another added input, is that I plan to live in the West TN area, or Southern Mo area.

Slovensky Cuvac
Sarplaninac
Rafeiro do Alentejo
Polish Tatra Sheepdog
Maremma Sheepdog
Nebolish Mastiff
Pyrenean Mastiff
 
#2 ·
I have an Anatolian Shepherd. Shorter haired than most of the white guardian breeds so he has an easier time in Southern heat. He is friendly to anyone I introduce him to.... while I am there. He doesn't like them to be there without me, though.

Anatolians are Turkish LGDs and are therefore bred to be accustomed to heat. They are long and leggy, also, and capable of great speed. I just love to watch mine run... he is so graceful!

You might want to consider them since you are moving to the South. :)
 
#3 ·
I second the Anatolian. I'm waiting on my two to be born, lol. I'm in southern middle TN and it gets HOT here. I had a Great Pyrenees but had to rehome him when he decided the chickens and goats were food and not friends. The Maremma is a good dog as well. All I've met have been very good dogs. I've met two Sarplaninacs and was impressed by them. They have thicker fur, but the ones I've met were bred and raised in northern AL and handled it just fine. If I had to choose among all those, I'd opt for an Anatolian every time.
 
#5 ·
The big question is how do they do with people showing upm to your place for picking things up like a CSA, or delivery people?
LGD's should be confined to a pasture with the animals they protect, so people coming by shouldn't be a problem.

They are not good "pets" and tend to roam

For what you described, most any mutt from the pound could do.
LGD breeds are meant to protect livestock, not territory, and trying to fight those instincts is asking for trouble
 
#6 ·
I also have Anatolians, but they are with the livestock. My adults were both socialized at a young age so they are people-friendly but still bark when someone comes down the driveway and because of their size, people who are new coming to the farm, hesitate to get out of their car/truck if I am not right there.
I agree with Bearfootfarm....LGD's are for livestock protection, not "guard" dogs.
 
#7 ·
My plan will be to have them with the livestock, but I also plan to have quite a few people visiting my farm. That is why I am trying to find out if an LGD will even work for me. I know each dog is different, and proper training would make a big difference in their people friendly attitude, or tolarance, but I am just looking to find the best dog I can for these situations.
 
#8 ·
Great Pyrenees like people though mine are standoffish with strangers. The girls don't tend to roam as much as the boys do. Mine will stand back and bark for a while then usually will go lay down in the shade when I show them the stranger isn't a threat.
 
#9 ·
My wife loves our Anatolians. They have a great memory about who they view as a threat and those they don't. Our oldest male (10 years +) is the ranch house guardian. He is still able to get around and at 135 lbs with a BIG BARK, he discourages "visitors" when we are not here. If we are here he barks a few times and then seems to say - "they are your problem". I am not sure what would happen though if someone were to raise their fist and swing at my wife. Come to think about it - I know what would happen and it would not be pretty.
 
#11 · (Edited)
Are you planning to leave animals like goats and sheep out to free range? What do you expect the LGD to do for you? As others have said, they may not make very good homestead watchdogs because they wander, and may threaten visitors.

Personally, all I want is a good watchdog that will stay close to home, be alert and keep an eye on things, and let me know when something or somebody comes around. If it's a threat I will deal with it. I don't want the dog "dealing with it". The legal risk is just too great. Also I don't let my goats or chickens free range. That is poor economy, when you consider how much you stand to lose, for questionable gain.

A good natured mutt from the pound is a much better choice for homestead protection than a guard dog.
 
#12 ·
My plan will be to have them with the livestock, but I also plan to have quite a few people visiting my farm.
Unless you're planning on letting them enter your pastures there won't be a problem.

It's not a good idea to let anyone into your pastures anyway, since they might have been in a pasture somewhere else and could be carrying a disease.

It's nearly impossible to have both a "guard" and a "pet"

Pets are socialized to accept strangers as well as other animals, and TRUE LGD's shouldn't be taught that "everyone is OK".

The fences are to protect the strangers, the dogs job is to protect your animals

http://www.bountifulfarm.com/lgd_seminar.htm
 
#13 ·
LGD's should be confined to a pasture with the animals they protect, so people coming by shouldn't be a problem.

They are not good "pets" and tend to roam

For what you described, most any mutt from the pound could do.
LGD breeds are meant to protect livestock, not territory, and trying to fight those instincts is asking for trouble
Ditto...
LGD's aren't 'designed' to be family pets or people friendly... they should stay with the livestock. A really good one will make a human want to stay inside their vehicle... My anatolians will make you 'wonder'... unfortunately our insane anatolian passed away last year... he'd go ape shy crazy when strangers or even friends showed up.
 
#14 ·
Great Pyrenees.

They guard my children, my livestock, my house and my entire property (they are very intelligent, and even though much of my property is not fenced, they know it is ours.)

They are non-aggressive to humans (unless you are a bad guy - and trust me, if your Pyrenees doesn't "cotton" to someone, you'd better pay attention!).

We have yet to lose any livestock since we have had Great Pyrenees, and we live next to 15,000 acres of timberland, chock full of bear, mountain lion, elk, moose, deer, and lots and lots of coyotes (oh yeah, tons of grouse to keep the coyotes fed).

As for my children...."I pity da fool" who tried to lay a hand on one of them.
 
#15 ·
LGD's should be confined to a pasture with the animals they protect, so people coming by shouldn't be a problem.

They are not good "pets" and tend to roam

For what you described, most any mutt from the pound could do.
LGD breeds are meant to protect livestock, not territory, and trying to fight those instincts is asking for trouble
LOL kind of a confusing statement you made there when I think about it - if the fence is good enough to confine the LGD then it should be good enough to keep the predators out don't you think?
I've got a very smart, quick learning maremma (probably a cross but the price was right) and it wasn't hard to teach him where to stay during the day, and it's not in his dog house .... at night he might roam a bit chasing the coyotes, I don't know for sure. Most times when I look outside at night I see him sitting, watching the yard with his head constantly turning. Since I got him last fall I've not had any coyotes or fox in the yard to get my freeranging chickens. I was thinking this is the way they're supposed to guard!
 
#16 ·
LOL kind of a confusing statement you made there when I think about it - if the fence is good enough to confine the LGD then it should be good enough to keep the predators out don't you think?
Really, a great fence that will keep an LGD in does not necessarily keep the predators out. A fox can go over a fence easily and domestic dogs, if they have formed a pack will dig under to get to the babies.
 
#17 ·
LOL kind of a confusing statement you made there when I think about it - if the fence is good enough to confine the LGD then it should be good enough to keep the predators out don't you think?
:umno: It keeps your dog from roaming, getting hit by a car, attacking the UPS man, guarding the neighbors goats instead of yours. Coyotes climb over and under fences, bobcat's just jump them. If the dog is laying on the porch and the sheep are in the pasture what good does that do me?
 
#18 ·
Anatolians are Turkish LGDs and are therefore bred to be accustomed to heat.
just a point of annoyance, the Turks DO NOT consider the anatolian purebred or turkish. they consider them american made mutts bred from turkish dogs & turkish mutts.
on the turkish climate it is a lot of highlands, mountains & such, so summer conditions vary from brutally hot to very comfortably cool.
 
#19 ·
if the fence is good enough to confine the LGD then it should be good enough to keep the predators out don't you think?
Maybe, maybe not.

My Maremmas won't go over a 4 ft fence, but a hungry coyote could

at night he might roam a bit chasing the coyotes, I don't know for sure
If he were to show up here at night and chase any of my animals, he won't be coming home.

If he's off roaming you better HOPE your fence will keep all the predators out
 
#20 ·
I know that everyone has very strong feelings about their LGD's, but I am not getting real good answers to my questions. My plan is to have a farm with rotaional grazing, of cattle, some sheep, and Meat birds in chicken tractors. I will have some hogs, but not sure if I will ever try and rotaional graze them. I know most, or all of the breeds mentioned will handle the protection of the animals mentioned. The biggest problem I have is to find this type of dog, that won't kill the guest I plan to have on the farm. I plan to have enough guest around the farm that I may not be with each of them as they are on the farm. It sounds like I might just have to find a dog that barks at predators, and strangers, but that is not aggressive to anyone. I would still like to know more info about any dogs that might be able to handle this type of situation. I don't need to have it explained why I shouldn't allow people on my farm, this is something that will have to be.
 
#48 ·
Did you ever get a guard dog? How did it go? We just got a Polish Tatra, as we have the same needs as you seem to, and we researched like crazy and are hoping it works out. I am hoping you are still on this forum, it's been a LONG time! But you never know!
 
#21 ·
Socialized Anatolian Sheperd. I socialized my big dogs and their puppies too. I have renters on my property, and occasional day workers. I can't afford the liability of a dog that goes ape shy crazy.

My dogs know to keep the varmits away, (or kill them) but they won't eat the UPS man.

Bond your LGD to the livestock and they will have less reason to roam. My dogs love "their" sheep.
 
#22 ·
Great Pyrenees.

They guard my children, my livestock, my house and my entire property (they are very intelligent, and even though much of my property is not fenced, they know it is ours.)

They are non-aggressive to humans (unless you are a bad guy - and trust me, if your Pyrenees doesn't "cotton" to someone, you'd better pay attention!).

We have yet to lose any livestock since we have had Great Pyrenees, and we live next to 15,000 acres of timberland, chock full of bear, mountain lion, elk, moose, deer, and lots and lots of coyotes (oh yeah, tons of grouse to keep the coyotes fed).

As for my children...."I pity da fool" who tried to lay a hand on one of them.
Same here but change out Great Pyranees for a Karakachan.

We have a karakachan. He is large and amazing with the animals. Very watchful and very part of the flock. (sheep etc). We can introduce friends to him and allow them to be on our land.
He can clear a 5ft fence, but we do have electric as well as field fence and he chooses not to. If he felt he had to, he would.

Amazing dog. Great for protecting the livestock, loves our kids, and will protect us in a heartbeat. Yet can be friendly once introduced to visitors. (As long as you are not a threat to us, or our animals).
 
#23 · (Edited)
The various breeds of dogs were bred for certain specialties. Guarding, herding, killing vermin, bird hunting, retrieving, and so forth. So most purebred dogs have certain strong physical characteristics and instincts. Over the years certain breeds have become very popular, mostly because of their looks (Golden Retrievers come to mind). As a result they have been intensively bred, re-bred, and inbred, and all kinds of health and behavioral problems are showing up. This is why a lot of people prefer a mixed breed dog over a pure breed. They tend to not have extreme behavioral or physical problems. So, unless you really need certain predictable characteristics then you may be better off just looking for a couple of good mutts. There are some physical and behavioral characteristics that I look for in a homestead dog.

1. Not too big. Big dogs eat more, crap more, and are harder to take places. Not too small. If it's too small it will be prey for coyotes and other predators. A 30-50 lb dog is about right.

2. Not too shaggy. Some dogs' fur is like velcro and will pick up every sticker and burr, and become impacted with mud. A long haired dog will suffer in the heat more. Too short of fur means the dog may suffer cold weather more and be bothered by flies and mosquitoes more.

3. Some dogs are bred to wander and follow their noses. This describes hounds and hunting dogs. They are notorious for wandering the country side and causing trouble. I like a dog that will stay home.

4. Some breeds have a reputation for being unpredictable and dangerous (Pit Bulls, Rotweillers, Dobermans, etc). If you can't (or won't) protect yourself, and want a dog to protect you, then ok. But a dog like this may be a big legal risk. From what others have said, it seems that Large Guard Dogs have some of these issues, too.

For a general homestead dog, I like the herding breeds. The best dog I ever had was a German Shepherd crossed with Australian Cattle Dog (AKA blue or red heeler). I found him as an abandoned puppy. Heelers stay home, are sturdy, alert, very smart, and protective of their home, their critters, and their people. They have the perfect fur. Warm in the winter, but nothing sticks to them. But they can be suspicious and possibly aggressive to strangers. The German Shepherd in the mix made this dog bigger (65 lb) and more mellow with other people. And a coyote snooping around the chicken pen was his favorite plaything. My dog now is a blue heeler (rescued from the pound). People are always coming and going around here so she's learning to accept strangers pretty well. She patrols the place, and lays where she can see the driveway, the goat barn, etc. And she always barks and lets us know somebody, or something, is around. But, at 35 lb, she had better leave coyotes and javelinas alone. She knows that her job is watchdog, I'm the guard dog.
 
#25 ·
We have a two and a half year old maremma. We were new to LGDs when we started. I feel that we have done most things right but reading here, I can tell some people would disagree. Our dog has free range between our pastures and our yard. We have a need to protect our chickens which are in our yard. She typically chooses to be with the goats but she also comes into our yard. She is social with our family but is aggressive toward strangers that show up at my house as well as anybody that even drives by. She has bit a neighbor that came to help my wife with a goat in distress. She shows guardian traits toward everybody that lives on my property, including myself.

I would argue that she is not a pet. She has never set foot in my house but we also don't ignore her when we are outside. I have witnessed her fight off three dogs, jump my fence to confront a pack of coyotes, and charge low flying hawks. I also believe that she protects our property as her territory. She will jump a five foot fence to chase cars and frequently leaves behind the animals to go to the back of my property to run off trespassers.

I would recommend a maremma in a heartbeat. My only issue with her is the fence jumping.
 
#26 ·
My current LGD is a corgi / beagle cross. He's an excellent protector but his size (and now age) limits his effectiveness. He has the run of our 5 acres with goats, chickens and horses. I didn't get this dog for this purpose, that's just what job he assumed. In fact, I didn't get this dog at all, he just showed up here 6 years ago as an adult. He's great at alerting me of predators near my flocks. He's recklessly brave and chased out a small group of coyotes a few years back. That ended with the coyotes turning on him and nearly doing him in. He learned (after 2 surgeries and 7 days in the animal hosp, I'd think he would) and will now bark and growl instead of giving chase. My point is that you don't have to have a LGD-specific breed to have a guardian. My guy is social but not overly-friendly with strangers, but he certainly wouldn't go after someone's throat (unless they happened to threaten his kids). Sounds like something like this would be good for you to consider.