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Imagine a matter of consequence

1.8K views 31 replies 18 participants last post by  muleskinner2  
#1 ·
I made a list of wedge issues recently. Those things have divided us pretty well.

Imagine if we had an issue of consequence to decide as a nation. We might even go to war.

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#3 ·
Yes.

With the divide so wide, I have to wonder if there is some issue, some matter that would cause us to take it to the next level.
 
#5 ·
Much like the Revolution and the first civil war, if we were to split in that way again, it would be for many reasons. Historians would pick the ones that sound good (Taxation without representation, slavery, etc..) and largely ignore the fact that there were dozens of reasons that varied from person to person, area, to area.
 
#10 ·
We are already at war with each other. Some, like BLM, etc. choose to do it overtly, others use words, many choose to stay hidden under the guise of anonymity.
 
#12 ·
Or a state or group of states could just decide to split off from the United States and form their own country/countries. Under the current constitution splitting is not possible but that is what amendments are for and it does allow for splitting if it is approved by all branches of the government. Much healthier way than war to dissolve a country. The US already proved that with their Civil War. The south was forced to remain and the resentment is still active.
 
#15 ·
Be Prepared is Half the Victory could also be applied to why the South failed by going to war. Lots of bravado but not facing the realities. Might was not right but it was facing an unprepared and inferior financial enemy.
  • The North had a population of 22 million people against the 9 million in the South (of whom almost half were slaves.)
  • The North was more industrial and produced 94 percent of the USA’s pig iron and 97 percent of its firearms. The North even had a richer, more varied agriculture than the South.
  • The Union had a larger navy, blocking all efforts from the Confederacy to trade with Europe.
  • The Confederacy hope that France and Britain would come to their aid due to their need of cotton, but these countries had enough cotton and a bigger need for Northern corn.
  • The North controlled both the shipping and railroad avenues, allowing them to trade and to get supplies fairly quickly.
  • The Union had more support: four slave states still remained loyal and not everybody in the 11 Confederate states were on the Confederate side. There were still plenty of people in the South that supported the Union.
  • Many slaves fled to the Union armies, providing even more manpower.
  • The South squandered their resources early in the war by focussing on conventional offensives instead of non-conventional raids on the Union’s transportation and communication infrastructure.
  • Lee’s offensive war strategy had a high cost in casualties, destroying a large part of the Confederate army.
 
#21 ·
Wars do that

I am not sure often it is done without a war
 
#22 ·
This war is easy to win. Suppose you are a maker. A person that produces something or provides a service. Unless you are an idiot, you are probably already on each other's side, because you are tired of takers taking. Suppose you made enough to store a few nuts in a hollow tree. Maybe a garden and some walking protein. Or maybe become a taker for just a little while. The people who are the problem will not last very long. They start the war. It's hard to get free stuff when you run out of stuff, and people to move it. Only after things devolvce into lawlessness and chaos do we take up arms. At that point we are the good guys, just like the Yankees who raped and pillaged and subjugated half the country for economic game, because they freed the slaves. Step out of that truck, quit working at that hospital, stop stocking those shelves. Won't take long. Toilet paper should have been a signal of how fragile things are.
 
#23 ·
This war is easy to win. Suppose you are a maker. A person that produces something or provides a service. Unless you are an idiot, you are probably already on each other's side, because you are tired of takers taking. Suppose you made enough to store a few nuts in a hollow tree. Maybe a garden and some walking protein. Or maybe become a taker for just a little while. The people who are the problem will not last very long. They start the war. It's hard to get free stuff when you run out of stuff, and people to move it. Only after things devolve into lawlessness and chaos do we take up arms. At that point we are the good guys, just like the Yankees who raped and pillaged and subjugated half the country for economic game, because they freed the slaves. Step out of that truck, quit working at that hospital, stop stocking those shelves. Won't take long. Toilet paper should have been a signal of how fragile things are.
Seems like I read this story in a book
 
#31 ·
You seem to miss the point