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Church is Making Me Feel Bad

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#1 ·
Ok it takes 4-6 Deer to do me and my wife all year.It cost $70-$75 to have Deer processed.So we do our own.

Well the Church came to me wanting to know if I would donate a Deer to give to the needy.I basically told them no.

For one thing I have hard enough time getting what we need.Then I would have to Pay to have it Processed which I can't afford.

There is Guys out there that just Hunts for the Horns,I'm sure they would donate the Deer.But I don't

Anyway I got a very bad look when I told them this.

I don't know I've given them $2,000 this year,seems I've done my part :shrug:

big rockpile
 
#4 ·
ladycat said:
You should give it cheerfully and with a prayerful heart. Then what you keep for yourself mysteriously multiplies in your freezer. Really it does!!
That $2K was to the needy,it wasn't my Tithing.I don't know I feel they are asking a bit much. :shrug:

big rockpile
 
#5 ·
omnicat said:
Can you do a littel extra hunting and bag 6-7 deer? Then youd' have an extra. Consider the "donation" to be your extra hunting time. Should be plenty of deer out there.

Would they consider a gift on an un-processed deer?
Truth with the cost of processing.It would be cheaper to go buy it at the Butcher shop,which is what my wife is looking into tomarrow.

big rockpile
 
#9 ·
I have to agree with you big rockpile - you need to take care of yourself and your family first. And IMHO, you've given generously this year. We do have hunters in our area who donate their deer to the food pantries as are the deer culled from the state park. I don't know if MO does the "tag" thing for deer (IL does) so I don't know if you could offer an un-processed deer or not.
 
#10 ·
fantasymaker said:
LOL think computers! Click And drag Right over to your churches steps im sure they will figger out what to do with it.
Are you on a all deer diet?
No just don't eat Beef or Tame Pork.

big rockpile
 
#11 ·
When did churches start assigning donations from members? Sorry if it hurts feelings, but I feel like it's a persons right to donate what they want to give without being pressured to give more. Just cause they are a church does not give them the right to make people feel bad and/or ask for more than a person feels led to give.
 
#12 ·
Well its like the other day my wife ran into a man that is on a Fixed Income,he was on his way to the Doctor,his Car broke down.So he had to get a Room and pay to have his Car fixed.So he didn't have no money for Food.

So the wife did go by the Church and got what she could,They didn't have no Meat.So she came home got a couple sacks of Meat and some other things.So she is doing what she can without going through the Church all the time.

It just don't make sence to me to give,then turn around and Buy.Kind of like one time I picked a Big Box of Pecans.Wife gave them to a neighbor.Couple weeks later I'm buying Pecans. :shrug:

big rockpile
 
#13 ·
A couple things...

Who asked you? And who gave the "bad look"?

How many times did they ask? Do they continue to ask?

If not, are you sure the "church" is trying to make you feel bad, and not an individual, or yourself, or perhaps God???

I don't know, I am genuinely asking. We can't answer those questions, but you can.
 
#15 ·
...not trying to be a smartarse but if god wanted him to donate the deer why would he not move his spirit to make him give freely.......why the need for a intermediate to ask when much has already been given........i don't think I would buy the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse.....We are very generous folks and we are giving away 30 turkeys this year to various family, friends, a few folks we don't even know...following the practice random acts of kindness philosophy........we do this every year because it makes us feel good......when people ask me if I would give them a turkey I don't particulary care for it and mostly decline the request.......rockpile probably doesn't like the feeling of being manipulated.......JMO.....
 
#16 ·
BobK said:
...not trying to be a smartarse but if god wanted him to donate the deer why would he not move his spirit to make him give freely.......why the need for a intermediate to ask when much has already been given........i don't think I would buy the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse.....We are very generous folks and we are giving away 30 turkeys this year to various family, friends, a few folks we don't even know...following the practice random acts of kindness philosophy........we do this every year because it makes us feel good......when people ask me if I would give them a turkey I don't particulary care for it and mostly decline the request.......rockpile probably doesn't like the feeling of being manipulated.......JMO.....
Hey Bob, I can only go to the bible for that... Sometimes we need to know the need before we react. Right before Christ entered Jerusalem for passover before he was to be crucified, he sent his disciples ahead to get a donkey for him to ride. The only thing he told them was to tell the owner... "The Lord hath need". I wasn't suggesting that this is the case here, but it COULD be... I don't know, that's why I asked.

Irregardless, I don't think God would be pleased with ANYONE giving ANYTHING grudgingly. And that's not a judgment on Rock or anyone, I have not given special offereings before, because I wasn't going to give willingly. My point is it may not be the church that's pushing or causing him to feel this way... maybe it's this one individual, maybe not.
 
#19 ·
comfortablynumb said:
I hate being a picky pr1ck but thats not a word... lol

rock... donate a box of bullets and loan then a rifle, tell them there is at least 20 deers worth of ammo there, if god goes with them huntiing.
Well, actually it has made it into the dictionary just like the word "ain't" and is acceptable in casual writing and speech...

SYLLABICATION: ir·re·gard·less
PRONUNCIATION: r-gärdls
ADVERB: Nonstandard Regardless.
ETYMOLOGY: Probably blend of irrespective and regardless.
USAGE NOTE: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir– prefix and –less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

I'll make you a deal, I will work on my grammar and sentence structure if you do!
 
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#20 ·
ZealYouthGuy said:
I don't think God would be pleased with ANYONE giving ANYTHING grudgingly.
Probably not. He likes a cheerful giver. I generally give only when I feel led by the Spirit.

OTOH, Jesus did say if someone asks us for something, we need to give them that and more. Nonetheless, most of us tend to feel resentment when asked.
 
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#22 ·
ZealYouthGuy said:
Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir– prefix and –less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
Makes me think of the word "inflammable". Which means the same thing as "flammable". :rolleyes:
 
#23 ·
You just have to keep these church people in line. Yes, the bible encourages giving, but it does NOT encourage solicitation of gifts. And giving is giving, not taxation. "Giving" means you do it because you want to, not because someone shames you into it. Ignore anybody who doesn't understand those things.

A bit of irony: I now ignore the group that taught me these things, because they couldn't practice what they preached!
 
#24 ·
My first husband's grandmother lives nearby and she is known for her cookies. Well everytime the church has some kind of fundraiser, she is "assigned" to make cookies.

She does not like being told she must make the cookies yet she feels obligated. She has been through a fight with cancer and suffered a heart attack this summer and has made cookies for the church when she barely had the energy to get out of bed.

Sometimes these fundraisers are for needy families or for church repairs, but there was a trend for awhile of having a fundraiser every time one of the members children needed money for a school trip.

I think that a person has the right to give to the church but that the church has no right to demand such gifts. Just my 2 cents.

Maggie
 
#25 ·
Just take it all with a grain of salt. I really believe no harm or condemnation was intended. Could the "bad Look" you saw be a reflection of how you felt? I try to do all I can for others, and sometimes I want to but just can't and sometimes get the same feeling. I would definately not find another church over it. Too many people leave great churches over small things. WE pray for forgiveness but have such a hard time finding in ourselves.
 
#26 ·
JJ Grandits said:
Just take it all with a grain of salt. I really believe no harm or condemnation was intended. Could the "bad Look" you saw be a reflection of how you felt? I try to do all I can for others, and sometimes I want to but just can't and sometimes get the same feeling. I would definately not find another church over it. Too many people leave great churches over small things. WE pray for forgiveness but have such a hard time finding in ourselves.
I usually don't read the "god" threads anymore but this issue could be applied across any group which relies on the charity of its members to function. From churches which do bake sales (and hit on Granny for cookies once a month) to my personal favorite... the co-worker who shows up with anything from chocolate to cheap wrapping paper which they expect to shill to raise money for one school related activity or another. There is simply a point where you can't support them all. And long before you hit that point there is probably a point where resentment starts setting in. I've got enough wrapping paper so I've officially reached Stash In Excess Of Life Expectancy. And still I'm expected to buy more!

Or suffer.. The Look.

I seriously doubt Rockpile imagined The Look. People who give The Look are very good and often subtle about it, but the message is clear: Who do you think you are? Cough it up you cheap so and so or I'll let everyone know how ungenerous you really are.

Now... the person giving the look has no way of knowing how generous Rockpile (or you or I) have been over the past year. You get The Look when you're in the supermarket and the clerk says "buy a Santa Hat for a $1 for United Way?" You know... those paper tickets in the shape of the holiday du jour which they stick your name on and tape to the windows to show how persuasive they've been at fund raising. Now, it is "only" a dollar. And you've just run $40 worth of groceries through, so we're talking a "tax" of only 2.5% here.

Oookay.. so how many of you would support a 2.5% tax hike on groceries... show of hands please? Nobody? Right. Furthermore that $1 donation isn't trackable, and thus not tax deductible. But it sure is effective because you can guilt trip people into coughing up more for charity than they can really afford to give over a year by diddling them one bite at a time.

Professional fundraisers have taken this diddling to a high art form, and any of you with elderly parents would be well advised to make a point of going over their checkbooks and credit card statements regularly. I intercepted a phone call (and this was 10 years ago, they've only gotten more sophisticated about it, and it has been picked up by those looking to obtain credit cards fraudulently) to my grandmother from none other than Amnesty International. A reputable charity and one on my grandmother's end of year list. I took the call after she got flustered and I heard her say "I'm sure I sent you a check, but let me get my credit card."

I got on the phone and asked for a call back number... so we had time to check the checkbook. Whereupon they got beligerant. Of course she'd written her annual donation... they were trying to squeeze more out of her. I stopped contributing to my local PBS and public radio for the same reason... faux "bills" which went out every 3-4 months trying to diddle for extra money, culminating with a notice in January stating you'd given roughly twice what you'd budgeted for and asking for the same amount plus more in the upcoming year.

So. I am in favor of the firm "not at this time" response. But Rockpile's is a special situation because (at least in VT) a donation of meat can't be made unless the meat has been inspected and processed in a USDA facility. Here that adds $65 to the cost of the meat... and unless you've got some pretty chunky deer down there, that brings the price per pound up to the high end gourmet level.

In fact, for most people, venison is exotic meat... high end, expensive (very expensive) gourmet stuff. People seeking handouts do not get venison, they get ground chuck. Rather in the same way that if I'm going to help out a family who needs something in their cupboard I'm not going to rifle my freezer for lamb rib chops, I'm going to give them cheap, wholesome, protein in the form of...

eggs.

"Meat" is not a necessity, protein is. Venison is a luxury item to most people in the world. It is absolutely not a necessity when eggs are selling at $1/dozen. And it is surely more expensive, after processing, than cheap chuck.

Next time, hand the man a dollar and tell him to go buy some eggs for the woman if she's that short of protein in her diet.