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  1. cindilu

    cindilu Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What do ya'll suggest for a good wood stove? I will be heating about 1,000 sq feet with insulation BUT it is cold where I am building. And how long can you go without putting wood in and also what does EPA mean? And what should I be looking for as far as certification?
     
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    Environmental protection agency. You need to check because you may be in an area that has smog days so you cannot burn a wood stove on those days. Also check with your insurance company....James
     

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    You might be in an area there with red days (no burn) etc. Klamath has some serious inversion and I know they went thru a serious endeavor on getting as much smog out of the area as possible. Not sure how far north it went. At the north end of the county I'm in the air quality volunteer area, or outside of that consideration. There are low emission stoves and you would be ahead to get one. I remember going into Klamath and it was a total brown haze from poor air quality. Very stagnant air. Last winter we has an issue with county wide. So it's back on the table. Most stoves give you an estimate on what they will heat. Another thing is where you will get wood. Becoming hard to get, lots of theft etc. Forests are getting bare. Even in my rural area. Lots of folks use pellet stoves but they have their drawbacks too. Pellets sometimes are in low supply and you shouldn't use cheap ones because the glue clogs the stove and no power no stove.
     
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    I second the comment concerning firewood. If the wood isn't well seasoned and hopefully hardwood,you will be defeating the purpose. The BTU's(British Thermal Units)just won't be there and will create creosote at a much faster rate. There are many stoves that will do a good job for you,depending on price range and availability.
     
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    Echo, I asked around in that area and wood stoves are good to go. But I am also going to make sure it is EPA certified and has low emission for that reason. I started researching them last night and read about the emission and how long they burn etc. They even had catalytic vs non catalytic ones. So I plan to do some learning on all of that. Most people in CHI use wood stoves to heat from what I am understanding. My house will be just a bit over 800 sq feet with good insulation so I will also take that into consideration.

    The wood over there is Ponderosa Pines and other wood. The closest location is Klamath Falls, then Chemalt, Crater Lake area.
     
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    Probably the only place you will be able to get permits for it will the Winema and the Sun Pass State Forests. Depends on hot far you go. Ponderosa and lifeblood will be the most likely type. Juniper is there but it smells like cat pee. If you get a choice go for lifeblood over the yellow bellies. Better firewood. No hardwoods in this area or close by. I think the county has info on Woodstove
    burning on their web site. I know they are beginning discussion again on broadening the air quality boundaries, you can barely use them south of you.
     
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    The link below is for Vermont Castings, which is the stove I use in my house. They sell catalytic and non-catalytic models that meet EPA standards. Mine is catalytic, and I replaced (easily) the catalyst a couple of years ago for about a $100. When burning good, dry wood you never see smoke coming out of my chimney. It burns that cleanly/completely. Other things I like about it are the glass door (which kinda' gives you a fireplace feel), and the ash pan/compartment in the bottom of the stove, which makes ash removal very easy. My stove is going into it's 14th heating season, and I suspect I'll get at least another 10 years of service from it (if God puts up with me that long).

    Good luck finding the stove that works for you.

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    The top comes off or pivots to the side so you can top load, and the small door on the front also opens so you can put wood in there. I've always liked them, but we live in Missouri and that stove wouldn't heat our place. It only takes small chunks of wood, for one thing. Another thing is that when using one of those things I've had them get cherry-red hot on me, so you have to keep track of them--don't wander away and leave it.

    Yet another thing--I think that price is out of line. Northern has one for four hundred.

    And I think if you look around you can find a better deal. Atlanta made one for a while, now you can get them on the secondary market sometimes for three hundred or less. Be careful that the grates are still good.
     
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    Don't go the potbelly stove route. They are very inefficient.
     
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    For a small 1,000 sq ft house a potbelly may be all you need.

    Some places have lots of regulations and inspectors, other places have none. I had never heard of needing a permit or permission, but then we do not live in an area where any permits are needed.

    The EPA has had an approved list of stoves for many years.

    Where I live most homes burn wood. I do not know of anyone around here who has an EPA approved stove.

    My parents had a stove with a catalytic converter in the 70's. Those units were very expensive.

    Green wood / seasoned wood; dry wood has 5% to 10% more Btu in it. They both give off heat and will heat your home. Green wood may give off more creosote; which depends on your stove and stove-pipe may build-up creosote. Some stoves are designed to burn creosote gasses very efficiently. Creosote build-up may be a problem if your home is poorly designed, or if you keep burnable materials too close to the stove-pipe.
     
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    might look at something to go outside too, have more room inside
     
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    Thank you all for the suggestions. I am researching as we speak.
     
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    The specs on the stove you're looking at seem OK. There is a pedestal stove further down the page of the link you sent (the medium one) that's similar in size and cost, but it does come with a blower if that interests you. Ash pan size is important to me, the larger the better as far as I'm concerned. Some stoves you can empty the ash pan and clean some of the ash from the stove while it's still running. Many you have to let the fire die out completely to clean the ash out. Quite a pain when it's really cold out. I have a small Vermont Castings in a back bedroom and a Pioneer Maid wood cookstove in another room that can be somewhat cleaned while still fired. My third stove has to have the fire out of it to clean it. I'd like to replace it some day if I ever find any extra money. I do have one of those EPA approved stoves with the catalytic system. It does have a bypass damper around the catalyst for starting up the stove. I always had problems getting the stove to draw good and much of the time had to crack the bypass to get it to pull enough air to keep it warm enough. I also had to drill air holes in the door because it wouldn't pull enough air up through the firebricks either. It's now sitting out in the barn because it was such a pain to fool with.
     
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    Very good efficiency and nice looking, but the maximum wood length is a little short - ideally you want something with more of a 20" or 21" max. I don't think a slightly larger stove would be a problem and in fact you might appreciate it when it gets really cold. But if you can live with the shorter lengths, you will be OK. Most purchased wood wood would work fine. We have a 21" inch max on our stove, and too many times my wood pieces have been just a little too long. (You should check to verify that the purchased wood in your area will work) Appears that there is no ash box (which is the case with mine), so you must remove ashes as you burn - this works fine once you get the hang of it - push embers to the sides and scoop out ashes in the morning. Also, inquire on damper - my stove has no pipe damper, but rather only a damper on air intake - again this works fine and is simpler I think.

    For this type of stove, you will have to purchase wood the first year, or wait a year. You need to cut a full year ahead and split at least 6 months before using the wood. Only pieces of diameter 3" or less may be left un-split. These stoves burn efficiently, and less than dry wood just won't work. Right now I am cutting wood that I will be using a year from now.
     
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    Vermont soap stone is the next one we will get. I have and use a free standing metal stove called King. It has done well. Soap stone would hold the heat longer so I do not have to get up at 3 am to stoke the fire. We heat 1250 Sq feet.
     
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    You shouldn't burn pine in a stove with a catalytic converter. Too much creosote is created burning pine, and it will damage your converter. Some of the converters are also quite expensive ($300) to replace when that's needed, so that's another consideration. Had friends in Nebraska who had a pellet stove, and they hated it, but had been used to burning wood. Also, I think you MUST have electricity to use a pellet stove??? If that's true, that would cause me to decide against having one, very quickly. If the electric goes off, then you've lost the ability to heat your home and heat water, cook food, etc.
     
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