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Years ago Mexicans used to do farm work in the us and return to Mexico in the off season. So what did we gain by closing the border?
There are always jobs that Americans are not willing to take. Let immigrants fill them for a chance to come to the US. Even Trump used such workers in his businesses. Of course he was smart to apply for such workers before the quota is used up.
 

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In my area we have many South Africans doing farm work, and then there are a few from Peru.

They came here legally.

No one said close the border. Many of us do believe we should regulate who comes here and why they come here.
 

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Why have a job when the government was paying you $17/hr (the first 25K tax free, that's 50K for married couples), free (well, taxpayer funded) medical care and $200-400/ month in free (well, taxpayer funded) food.

Just sayin'
 

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How do you explain $100K sign up bonuses not being able to find takers?
Well, sometimes SOME skills or knowledge are required :D
 

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1. The border was never closed.
2. Migrant workers still work and migrate.
3. You might actually do research before posting.
4. The original post is an excellent example of someone who watched television and drank the Flavor Aid.
 

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Years ago Mexicans used to do farm work in the us and return to Mexico in the off season. So what did we gain by closing the border?
There are always jobs that Americans are not willing to take. Let immigrants fill them for a chance to come to the US. Even Trump used such workers in his businesses. Of course he was smart to apply for such workers before the quota is used up.
Farm work used to pay enough to provide for a family raised in the USA. WW2 sent the men over seas to fight and brought in labor from down south due to the shortage of American labor. Once the farmers figured out they could continue to pay the really low wages, and work the help under conditions that used to not be tolerated, there was little incentive for the locals to go back to the fields.
The wages and conditions needed to get Americans back into the field is possible, just not desired by those that shop at the grocery store.
 

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In my area we have many South Africans doing farm work, and then there are a few from Peru.

They came here legally.

No one said close the border. Many of us do believe we should regulate who comes here and why they come here.
Absolutely.

About 100 years ago one of my Grandfathers came here as a farm worker. And, yes, he came here legally. If we need more workers then the gov.. SHOULD allow more people to come here legally: right now people often have to wait for decades, excepting for those on a temporary work permit!
 

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You sure get started early, don't you?
Not sure what you mean, I have been up since 5.... :D

I haven't seen 100K sign on bonus anywhere, however, I have seen between 2500 and 10K. But you had to have some sort of qualifications (ie, a CDL A, with Hazmat, with a good driving record and be able to pass a drug screen, for the 10K) we are offering a $1K sign on (and $15/hr base) (with $500 referral bonus if a current employee recommends) for just getting getting hired full time (and we ONLY have 1 part timer out of 55 total, he works 30 hours per week and goes to college 1 day and was full time for 8 years. He's taking advantage of the 'frontliners education program').
They requirements to get hired?
Show up, on time for 90 calendar days.
NO drug test
NO skill set
Just show up, on time for 90 days

We can't even get that.
We just let 2 people go (both with 6+ years service) because they simply could not (or would not) show up for work. Not even on time. JUST showing up. 1 averaged 3 call in per pay period (2 weeks) 30% absenteeism.

He was given multiple (6 or 7) chances, put on probation, moved to a different shift (that he requested to be transferred to, having a co-worker pick him up.

NOPE still couldn't or wouldn't
 

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Actually, the Bracero program was a good program aside from the living conditions. Today, as we know more, that part could change for the better. What killed the Bracero program? The UNIONS. Do your homework before posting how illiterate you are.

We in essence, do have open borders. Have job postings decreased?
 

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Years ago Mexicans used to do farm work in the us and return to Mexico in the off season. So what did we gain by closing the border?
There are always jobs that Americans are not willing to take. Let immigrants fill them for a chance to come to the US. Even Trump used such workers in his businesses. Of course he was smart to apply for such workers before the quota is used up.
The labor market is like any other market-- subject to the universal law of supply and demand....With any specific level of demand, the more workers available (high supply), the price paid them (wages) goes down.....Because the people sneaking into the country are largely uneducated, untrained, low skilled worker, they are competing with our own lowest skilled/educated/trained people....It's our own poor, unskilled/untrained people who suffer the most from illegal immigration.

Secondly, there's a difference between "open boarders" (no control over who comes in) and regulated immigration with increased quotas.

If your question was an innocent one asked out of naivete', there's your answer...If it was a a rhetorical question trying to make a political point, then gotohell.
 

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