I read on here that you'all seem to want to disbud all your goats. Then about half the posts are about the problems due to preditors. This makes no sence to me. Leave them goats with the weapons god gave them and they will send the attackers packing. http://public.fotki.com/stanb888/farm_pics/picture_006.html Go here to see a lamancha with horns. They are quite impressive if you let them grow.