We Americans are so FAT

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  1. sancraft

    sancraft Well-Known Member

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    The thread about the hormones in the meat got me to thinking. My DDs bought me the Frontier House DVD for Christmas. We were watching it and remarking on how trimmed down everyone was getting. It was amazing that Gordon Clune thought he was wasting away when he was actually down to his ideal size. Even the ones who started off relatively thin, lost weight and looked better. And everyone's skin was so clear and healthy looking. I just odn't think the human frame is meant to carry much weight.

    I subsitute teach and I am just floored by hoe fat the children are. I;m not talking a little fat, I'm talking super, duper fat. In the elementary school, they are at least 30-40lbs over weight and in the highschool, 75-100lbs. We are in need of some major changes in the country if we are to survive.
     
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    Now you've got me going....
    I do not understand people who think it's perfectly fine to feed their families nothing but processed foods and soda. It makes me so sad to see those people at the grocery, carts overloaded with a few hundred dollars of packaged everything, telling their kids "No, we're not buying grapes/oranges/carrots!" When did it get this way? We have friends who feed their kids basically on Ramen and fast food... when the kids were staying with me, I could hardly keep up with their wants for healthier foods... I was happy to oblige, it was good to see them getting something good for their growing bodies.

    You see little ones who get out of breath and exhausted so easily. Just want to take them outside and let them run, toss the television out the window... Personally, I think alot of it has to do with soda... liquid candy. And vending machines in schools and daycares, ARGH.
    When I worked daycare, I used to get so outraged at what they fed those kids... snacktime was usually something like a ziploc full of those high-fat, sprinkly frosted animal crackers... for the two year olds! I counted it out one day... twenty of those cookies in each bag for those babies. :flame:

    Then, we had one sweet little guy I could scarcely pick up... mama routinely sent him with a 20 oz. soda, little debbie snack, or soda and doughnuts for breakfast! His skin was so sallow, his hair so dull... and he was just the sweetest little boy. Made me sad. But, such children are/were really common. :(
    There's just too much sugar in kid's lives now... all those syrupy 'fruit" dirnks, the aforementioned soda and junk foods.
     

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    A good read about this sort of...."Better Off : Flipping the Switch on Technology" by Eric Brende...
     
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    Society gets more and more labor-saving and convenience-oriented, and people just get weaker and weaker. I mentioned "the inner grownup that says NO" in a different thread, in a different context, but it applies to so many things, and it has never been more necessary. If you don't cultivate that inner grownup that disciplines you to say NO to junk TV, NO to trash food, NO to porn and stupid video games and tabloid trash and credit-card debt and drugs, you are finished before you've even begun. People cut themselves a break way too easily these days. If I read one more reference to the "crushing stress" Americans are all under and their need to "pamper" themselves, I will hurl. Children are growing up lazy and undisciplined and weak because it's all they see from their parents.
     
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    When I'm at the schools, in interact with the children. At recess I paly with them. Here I am, 42, overweight myself (due to some health issues and medications) and I could run circles around those poor children. They just lok so unhealthy. I had them all running around playing Blindman's Bluff, 123 Red Light, and taught them a bunch of jump rope rhymes. They like to see me coming. I get down on the floor with them, I talk to them, I ask them about their thoughts and feelings and I share my own with them. I play with them and enjoy them and tell them how much I enjoy them. I also hug them. I don't parents touch their children these days. I can't get down one hallway in any school without someone hugging me. And I think my highschoolers are the worst. Here comes some 6'6", 280lb. bruiser hugging me with the most beautiful, sheepish smile. I don't think they quite know what to make of me.
     
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    I agree!! I've been pushing this book for over a year now!!!!!
     
  7. davaseco

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    My Dh is overweight. 5'8" and 209lbs. He gained 25 lbs this last year.

    He keeps "talking" about how he needs to lose weight, but he won't change his habits. He's got a ton of excuses...like...
    His appendectomy scar (from age 15) made him fat. LOL

    He came home the other day stating that he wanted to buy a "crossbow" home weight system and a "glider" of some sort so he can workout IN FRONT OF THE TV! I put my foot down and refused to empty our bank account on useless "stuff" and that there was NO WAY he was planting any kind of equipment in my livingroom unless he could find away to turn the coffee table into a rowing machine and it still look as good as the one we have now, so he had better find something on our land that will work instead. We've had weight sets before...he quit using them cause there was "no one to work out with"...he too embarrassed to go to a gym...He spent $80 on an ab roller ans used it twice...said it bothered his back...the real problem was he couldn't watch Tv while using it. He bought a $500 bike, said he rode all the time when he was a teen and was in the best shape of his life, SWORE that THIS was gonna hake him thin again. He rode it a month untill it got hot outside. It's been sitting in a garage for over a year now.

    He says that I need to change how I cook. I cook very healthy...much healthier than I ever have before. I say, He needs to eat less and healthier.
    I find evidence this morning that he had carrot cake and 4 pieces of fudge after I went to bed last night.

    I'm glad he realizes that he needs to do something about his weight and I've really tried to point him the right directions with proven diet programs and offered suggestions...trying to convince him that he will never look like he did when he was 17 has been the hardest part...he refuses to belive that he's gotten older. I think he's another one that belives in a magic pill. I blame the one-eyed idiot box.
     
  8. Nan

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    I noticed how big the children are getting now days too! Way back in the dark ages :rolleyes: ...the early 80's, when I taught school....I had very few fat children in my class. I can't really think of even one that was more than a tad over weight....then I taught again in the mid 90's for a couple of years...and I had several children that were very heavy! 3 of my first graders weighed over 100 pounds! If I went into the school today...I bet that the same age group of kids...5 to 7 year olds...would be consistently heavier!

    TOOOO much sugar and too much fat! Too much of sitting in front of the tube! Too few chores to do! We got rid of our TV about 15 years ago and my kids have always had chores to do. My kids are on the thin side of normal. I started gaining weight when we moved here 2 years ago! Not many chores...just one acre to take care of and a few chickens! For the first time in my life I have to really watch what I eat!!! I KNOW it is from doing fewer outdoor chores! My kids stay very active...so they can get away with the occasional fries and shake...but if I tried to do that now at my age...I would be a bowling ball!

    I heard the other day that they don't have as many recesses as they used to! Is that true? We used to have a morning recess and an afternoon recess! Did they do away with that? I think it is soooo important to let the kids run and play...just like Sancraft said...they have GOT to get the children moving again! We didn't have a pop machine when I was in school till I got to Jr. High. They need to get rid of all of the pop machines in school and start having a fresh fruit vending machine instead of a candy bar one! Maybe fruits and packages of nuts or something instead!
     
  9. Anita in NC

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    My husband and I discuss the American diet at length quite a lot. I fear for my kids who are on the high side of normal weight. I homeschool them and we eat really healthy but just to much of a good thing - so I'm trying to work on portion size.

    We eat things like grilled fish, whole wheat noodles, lots of fresh veggies and fruit etc... no processed food or junk food.

    The problem is our entire culture. We're fighting the American culture. The culture that promotes all that unhealthy eating, fast food, prepackaged foods - no wonder so many people are fat. You're fighting against the advertising, the cheap easy to get, tastes good, everyone else is eating it society.

    I remember taking my kids to Bear Island we were walking along and eating the wild blackberries. A group of school kids passed us and wanted to know what we were doing. I told them. They didn't even know what blackberries looked like.

    If your trying to eat healthy your swimming against the tide, going against the norm, battling an entire culture.... Good luck!
     
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    I think recess is over rated....too many kids bullying and doing naughty stuff...but a structured well supervised- fairplay instead of freeplay would go a long way...as well as having schools plant fruit trees and grow food for the local food pantry in town....
     
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    It's all diet. Think of how food tasted in the 80's. Food is horible now. (Except the good stuff)
    At the local high school a ton of kids are 100 lbs overweight. It's amazing. It must be diet. I am in the process of teaching my kids what a serving is. My 8 yr old took a cookie last night, about to grab another at the same time, my ds 10 told him one cookie was a serving. :dance:
    My problem is my dh eats like pig when he is home. He never eats out, so when he gets home he is starving, walking around grabbing food for an hour. A horrible example. I have to hide food and direct him.
    I have been 20+ lbs over for my whole adult life, very rarely have I been less that 20 lbs overweight. But I am over 6 feet tall so I hade it well. Too well. I notice that it's making me weaker. I have to lose some to stay healthy. But I carried it for 20 years, easily.
     
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    Tuperware sells them and I'm looking to see if amyone has them cheaper. They are serving sized serving spoons. So now you'll know exactly how much you're eating. It's easy to put a little dab more of this or that and before you know it, you've really upped you serving sizes and your caloric intake.
     
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    I think one of the problems that people have with getting weight off is this expectation that making some changes to their diet will cause the pounds to instantly drop off. This is not the norm and it leads people to abandon diets to quickly when they do not see instant success.

    I made major changes to how I eat and live my life and lost thirty pounds in about 6 months since then things have slowed considerably but the big thing to me is that I have stopped that process of gaining a few pounds almost yearly and hurting my health. Now I lose a few pounds every few months and what I eat is beneficial to my body.

    If the parents of these overweight children would simply cut the junk food out of their kids diets and replace it with fruits, vegetables and high fiber foods they would find a huge change in their children and over time their height would catch up with their bulk and they would slim out. I am not big on the whole it takes a village concept but I believe that the impact on our health system is too great to ignore this problem. Schools really should disallow junk food on campus. This would at least allow the kids to get one meal a day that was garbage free. Hopefully some nutrition information could be incorporated into the school lessons as well.

    I saw a piece on NJN about a pre-school in South Jersey that is completely nutrition education based. It was great the kids really had healthy eating ingrained into them from reading to math to snack time, while still learning the usual pre-school things. One mother mentioned how pleased she was with this for her second child after having sent her first child to a regular pre-school where sugary snacks where pushed on the kids.
     
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    I was reading a magazine article on day and it said that the average sized dinner served in a restaurant today, would have been a platter in the 1950's.
     
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    Sancraft, (off the subject) I didn't know that you were sub-ing. Is this a new gig? I was just thinking--that's a great job for you to have when you completely move to your land. Rural areas need substitute teachers, too. Lot's of flexibility.
     
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    most parents today are at work, so the kids are on thier own and eat everything and anything. No actual physical P.E. at schools like it use to be in the early 60's. Remember J.F. Kennedy's Physical fitness tests in schools around 1961?? The government was involved then to solve this problem. I don't know what happend to this program of testing a students physical fitness ability in the school system, but I remember doing all kinds of long distance running, excersises, etc. in P.E. at school then. Now they just sit on their duffs in front of a computer. I am not exactly skinny but I appreciated these activities in school.
     
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    Hi Nette. I'm subbing where my land is. :)
     
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    Everyone tells my sister how skinny her kids are. They are slim to be sure, but certainly no thinner than we were when we were their ages. I have pictures of me and my sister at the beach as kids and we were quite slim, however back then no one thought we were too skinny!

    I only remember a couple of truly fat kids when I was young. Now it seems like everywhere I go I see overweight kids and some that are horribly obese. I feel so very sorry for them :(

    I think it is a combination of bad foods and sugery drinks, but it is also utter lack of exercise/outdoor play. When I was a kid I was outside all the time playing.... I would never have been happy sitting in front of a tv or video game if it was sunny outside.
     
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    The biggest influence on a child's eating is the parent! If the parent won't eat veggies...then a kid isn't going to either! I am shocked at how many kids won't eat any veggies of any kind...except for fries! My kids have been raised to HAVE to eat veggies because frankly..when they were little...it was all we had sometimes with a little dab of meat or fish.

    Have you ever noticed what some folks eat at those all you can eat buffets? Meat and LOTS and LOTS of carbs...topped off with a bowl of icecream for dessert! IF I let my DH eat the way he wanted to...he would only eat meat, potatoes and a little bread. He likes veggies..but doesn't think about eating them at a meal because that isn't the way he was raised! His folks are enormous and have many many health problems! My dad was very skinny and my mom was just a normal rounded mom size! She was an ex home-ec teacher that taught me to have 2 veggies, a starch and a protein with every meal. We nearly always had a fruit of some sort to go with it. To this day I can not call it a meal without at least a veggie/starch/protein. My DH had a lot of beef growing up and we only had beef occasionally. In fact...a lot of our protein wasn't meat...it was beans,lentils,peas...etc...because we didn't have a lot of money growing up. I think it has a HUGE amount to do with the way the parents eat!!!!! Overweight children almost always have at least one overweight parent!

    Genetics play a part too. If a child is born to shorter parents and they are shorter.. they are going to have more trouble than if they can stretch that weight out over a longer frame! If mom and dad are heavy then the child is likely going to be heavy. Just the way things are. IF though...the adult takes charge of his own weight...then the child seems to be more able to deal with weight gain too! My daughter has to watch it far more than I do because she is several inches shorter than I am and has stopped growing. She takes after my hubby's side of the family. She will have to be more careful through life. 125 on me would be stick skinny and 125 on her is a bit chubby.
     
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    Most schools do them last I checked. Some of my friends that sub in high schools have done gym classes where they had to make the kids run a mile or do a few other things. I remember when I was in gym class a large part of the year was "stations" where if your team wasn't playing volleyball or whatever you would have to be lifting weights or running/walking around the track. Even then the people that should have been doing stuff were standing around talking.

    In general it is also more acceptable to society as a whole to be overweight. Everyone says that thin is pushed as the perfect standard to everyone, and that might be, but the backlash from this is that people are saying "it's ok to be overweight." "You should lose a little weight for your health" is responded to with "just because the media pushes models on everyone doesn't mean everyone is supposed to look like that." Although there are some people who have legitimate health issues causing their weight problem, most people really don't take responsibility for themselves in this area.

    I was born with a metabolism that will burn through anything you throw at it. There's a line in a book called Once A Runner that says "If the furnace is hot enough, you can burn anything." Meaning, when I was running competitively and training 60 miles a week in college, you could have had me on the worst diet in the world and I wouldn't have gained weight. I still retain a lot of that metabolism, and I hope I am able to pass it on to my children because both of my parents were also born with high metabolisms.

    My mother used to have the same metabolism when she was younger but became very sedentary as my brother, sister and I got older. She would always snap "you tell me what you look like after three children" when I suggested we walk the dog or something like that. Having three children didn't make her put on weight, she looks absolutely fabulous in some of the pictures after my brother (the youngest) was born. She decided to stop being physically active and her metabolism plummeted.

    Since children don't really understand all of the ins and outs of diet and exercise, they need to be guided a little more strongly. Hide your guilty indulgence foods and keep healthy foods in the house in plain sight. Make the children get outside. There isn't much you can do if they're not your own children, short of inviting them over to play outside with your own.

    Kayleigh