US Corp's outsourcing "OUR" jobs !!

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  1. fordy

    fordy Well-Known Member

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    .............Was watching "Wide Angle" on PBS this evening and they did an hour show on the outsourcing of US jobs to places like India . The average wage paID to these people is 2,000 to 10,000 . This is 1\10 on average what a US corp. would have to pay IF they were employing an American worker . This , IS nothing short of Economic Treason in my book . IT is motivated solely on NOT having to pay an American worker to DO the same job . NOt only , That , we also have an Influx of "these folks" who are buying the 7\11 type stores where ever you go . I'm not on a race rant here , but it just seems like our governament is selling OUT the American worker by BOTH allowing the Outsourcing and allowing thousands of these folks to immigrate ...over here . fordy... :) :shrug:
     
  2. sisterpine

    sisterpine Goshen Farm Supporter

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    I continue to find it difficult to believe that the leaders of this country (past and present) would allow or encourage outsourcing of jobs. And if I hear one more time that more and better paying higher skilled jobs will replace those lost I am gonna puke. Not everyone in this country has the ability, mentally, emotionally or financially to go to college and become a rocket scientist! What could they possibly have been thinking....makes me want to go up to them and say "here's your sign"!
     

  3. mightybooboo

    mightybooboo Well-Known Member

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    Its treason.Pure and simple.

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  4. Vera

    Vera Well-Known Member

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    Try calling Dish Network to cancel your TV service... even if you can hear the foreigner through the scratchy connection, you'll still have a hard time understanding what he's reading from his question-and-answer sheet. The first foreigner you get on the line puts you through to an "accounting specialist" with the same accent and written-English kind of speech. You spend an extra 10 minutes or more with each of them just on "can you repeat that, please?"... "I didn't understand you, come again?"... (which you change to "say what??" and "huh???" after you start to lose your cool).

    The follow-up "courtesy call" a few days later is made by an American, charming and well-spoken, to find out why you canceled your sevice and if you wouldn't reconsider and sign back up. I'm sure that prospective customers with the intent of signing up also get to speak with an American.

    People will get used to that and put up with it meekly, just like they got used to poor service before and have put up with it ever since.
     
  5. Valduare

    Valduare Well-Known Member

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    lol the 7/11 stores are owned by americans btw.... they just got to america later then you did in the time line.
     
  6. Cindy in PA

    Cindy in PA Well-Known Member

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    The National Chamber of Commerce is finally seeing that the "high tech" jobs that Americans were supposed to have in place of the outsourced ones are going now too. Last month the USA ran a trade deficit in this catagory for the first time ever. Nice time to worry now after they have been supporting the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs.
     
  7. DAVID In Wisconsin

    DAVID In Wisconsin Well-Known Member

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    Don't blame business, blame us! As Americans, we want fat paychecks and low priced goods. Can't have it both ways.
     
  8. moopups

    moopups In Remembrance

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    Around here if you see a white American operating a convience store, you wonder whats wrong with this picture? The immigrants have taken the cheap places to live, they have taken the no skill and semi skilled jobs, now they are after the high skilled jobs. And what about the illegals? Its time to close the borders, give the illegals 72 hours then put them out of here.

    I am tired of seeing other languages spoken here, if you want to live in America learn to speak English, or go back. Thats also the biggest bumper sticker on my van.
     
  9. Gary in ohio

    Gary in ohio Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I may get bashed for this but, I will STOP YOUR MOANING ABOUT JOBS.


    There not YOUR jobs, THey are the companies jobs. They should be able to hire whoever they want from wherever they want. Not that I like it, and working off-farm in an IT where outsourcing is rampant I am concerned but its NOT YOUR JOB.

    I will also say it YOUR fault... People no longer value service, no longer value quality. They ONLY value purchase price. It your fault for ALLOWING UNIONS to run US wages through the roof comparied with other countries. Its your fault for buying cheaper foreign made products over the higher priced US products.

    If you want the JOBS back stop buying foregein made products. The oversears job markets will stablize over time, but its going to be many years.
    Japan was the first source, They have now moved into pay class inline with the US so they are no longer a good option for outsourcing. Tiwan was next, but again they have grown up and are not just a bunch of cheap labor, India is now going through its growth, Lots of cheap labor there but a government that is savy and there is already signs india may not be a cheap option.

    This leaves china with billions of people totally controlled by the government, russia, and africa left to exploit. Chinna is already doing it and is killing our markets with CHEAP products that the US people are buying 24x7.

    Its your fault and as long as your contine to buy cheaper products and accept poor service it will continue. As long as you wake up to your $5 india made alarm clock, toss in your bread into a $17 DAWOO toaster, Watch the morning news about job loss's on your TV (Pick any brand there all made outside the US). and get in your kia auto (or kia made ford) and drive to wallmart to buy something (87% being made overseas) we will have this outsourcing(globalsourcing) issue.
     
  10. sylvar

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    Preach on brother Gary! Preach on! You hit it right on the nose.

    Buy American!

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  11. DrippingSprings

    DrippingSprings In Remembrance

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    fordy I saw that as well. I even taped it lol

    Now jobs are bad enough but one thing one of our wonderful americans was discussing in the discussion portion right after the show was how he thought that sending xrays etc overseas via a internet connection for diagnosis by Indian and Chineese personnel was an extremely good idea. WTH???!!!

    Does he honestly think that I want my tests read and diagnosed my xrays diagnosed by someone from that neck of the woods? Yeah we all know how wonderful the health care training is in other countries. He also said the lower costs would trickle down to us as well. Now I am breaking out the hip waders. Does this bozo honestly think they will pass this savings on to us? They will just pocket the extra cash. They will get an xray read by a guy in India that makes 2 grand a year pay him about five bucks and put the normal 300 charge on my bill and pocket the rest.

    I saw in their that one of the bosses of the BPO as they called it. Doing telemarketing paid this lady more than her previous job. THe BPO job paid 3000 thats thousand three thousand dollars. Her former job? A doctor. Kinda puts it in perspective doesnt it? Yeah I want a doctor that can make more answering a phone for Dish Network reading my lab results and xray.

    My son was sick and we went to a small hospital in a neighboring town. They took xrays and we were still waiting five hours later for the xrays to be read by someone in another state. We finally left and went to his pediatrician the next day. He was hospitilized with pneumonia. We got a call that next night from the hospital we went to first. They said he was ''fine''
     
  12. Grandmotherbear

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    Dripping Springs- Yeah, I read an article on outsourcing medical jobs last month. Somehow never thought it would hit the medical or nursing professions. But the answer the hospitals in our area have already given for years to impossible staffing levels and workloads leading to staff loss is contracted foriegn nurses. They come here for 6 months to a year, work all the hours God sends, import their moms to do housework, cook clean and raise the children- work 2 and 3 jobs....Yes, they have a work ethic. But no, accepting lousy working conditions is not the answer. Of course, it is the local director of nurses- a local resident- who is responsible for the overstaffing problems and whose license is on the line when everything hits the fan.
     
  13. Gary in ohio

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    Yes, outsourcing has hit the medial fields. They are offering Complete operations, from routine to complex complete with airfare, lodging for family at a 1/3 the cost of US hospital stays.

    India has always had good doctors, poorly paid and few could afford them, but for the wealthy class India has some good doctors.

    As for reading xrays, I am happy if they can just get the billing done right.
    Went to IN-NETWORK DR, Needed an Xray, send me to an IN-NETWORK xray facility. Xray was taken by IN-NETWORK tech. Get a Bill for an OUT OF NETWORK read of the XRAY... Still fighting that one. Had no option on who did the read and I get billed for it.
     
  14. CG

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    I'm glad we have people speaking other languages here. Diversity is good. I wonder if the Native Americans got mad that Europeans came here and didn't stop speaking their native languages.
     
  15. indypartridge

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    About 7 years ago my boss told me that we were going to begin outsourcing some of our engineering work to a company in India. This is high tech stuff - software for electronic controls. I didn't like the idea, but was told that he was choosing me to "make it work," after all, he could get three Indians for what he was paying me.

    So, I'm now the main person who handles work that is sent to be done by the Indian engineers. They do very good work. Whether I like outsourcing or not isn't relevant. To compete in a world market, my company has to lower costs. Without outsourcing, our products would be overpriced, wouldn't sell, and we'd all be out of jobs.

    When I talk to my kids about future careers, I try to encourage them to think about jobs that cannot be outsourced, about being self-reliant, and having jobs where they don't depend on some company for a paycheck. There's lots of them...plumbers, electricians, mechanics, beauticians, etc. My teenage son charges as much as $20 an hour to fix people's computers. For many people, after hours of frustration with a broken computer...and trying to talk to some "technical service person" in India...$40 bucks to fix their computer seems like a bargain!
     
  16. BeesNBunnies

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    I agree, we've brought this on ourselves. I use the power I have to discourage it....my purchasing power. I really do look to see where something was made before I buy it. Yes I usually pay more....sometimes a lot more....sometimes it isn't much more(you'd be surprised). Sometimes I will buy things made in other countries but never something made in China. When I call an 800 number and get connected to someone that it is obvious their first language isn't english I tell em I want to speak to an american. If you throw a hissy they WILL connect you with someone you can understand. Here's another problem. Foreign doctors. Some of them may be just as good as their american peers.....but if I can't understand what they are saying and I'm pretty doggone sure they are having trouble understanding what I'm saying....not a good thing. It may be considered rude, but now when my doctor refers me to another doctor I tell her to be sure she finds me an american doctor. I've had too much bad experience with doctors that english isn't their first language. The biggest reason I can see for all the manufacturing jobs going to other countries is unions. At first they were necessary....now they are just a bloated bureacracy. I'll never forget the first time I had a job where you were required to join the union or they wouldn't hire you. Sounded like something that would happen in a communist country instead of here in the US.
     
  17. Jerr4

    Jerr4 Poems Pears and Promises

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    I work in the landscape field and 90% of my workers are Hispanic. I would not be in business if not for them. They have the work ethic that we as Americans have lost. They work to supply food and shelter for thier families, not for promotions and prestigue. I have hired "locals" and after 2 weeks they either quit or expect a promotion because the work is below them. We bring are workers up from Mexico in Feb. and they work till Nov. The only contact they have with thier families is letters and telephone calls. How many of us would choose to spend 9 months away from are families for a job. To me that is dedication to your family! I am learning from these folks, I am learning that family comes first no matter what the cost. If I had to take a job that shoveled *&*^ all day to support my family, would I? would you?. I know my workers would.
     
  18. mightybooboo

    mightybooboo Well-Known Member

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    Well,here we go..........

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