Thinking about a new rifle

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  1. JJ Grandits

    JJ Grandits Well-Known Member

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    I've always been a shotgun guy and never got to involved with rifles. Had some rimfires over the years and currently own a Savage markII in .22 LR and a lever action Marlin in .22 mag. Both are scoped and really great guns. I also have a Mosin Nagant which I bought for next to nothing. Anyways I've been researching centerfire rifles for quite awhile and decided on a Marlin XS7 in .243 to meet some of my needs. It's the next rifle Im having trouble with. The .243 will be used for target, varmint, and deer. My deer hunting at an extreme are shots no farther then 150 yards. The .243 should do the job. The next rifle will also be used for target shooting and heavier game at greater distances. So far I've come with the traditional .30/06, 7mm Rem mag, 7mm 08, and the .300 win mag. as possible calibres. It would be used for Black Bear, Whitetail, and I'd like to try Antelope and Bison too. Most of the time it would be used for punching hole in small objects far away. Unless I win the lottery these two rifles will have to do it all for me for a long time. Terminal ballistics and accuracy are everything. Recoil is not an issue for me. I will be ordering the .243 in a week or two and then I can start saving for the other gun. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
     
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    I'm a huge Mauser fan... I've got a 7mm model 1908 Brazilian and a 6.5mm Model 94 Swedish that's been sporterized..

    Right now, ammo for them is easily available since they are somewhat of an odd ball size... They are also decent priced... usually less than 30-06... I buy 20 rounds of PPU 7mm for $16.. or at least I did a couple months ago..

    VERY flat shooting guns and incredibly accurate at long ranges, and price wise, they are under priced compared to a lot more common caliber rifles.. As far as recoil ,they are both all day shooters... I've put a couple hundred rounds through my 7mm in a day and still wanted to shoot more...

    Both the 7mm and the 6.5 have been used for years to take big game.. One hunter took over 300 elephants with a 7mm...

    You can pick up a 7mm Brazilian in really nice condition for around $300 to 350. When I bought mine they were priced around $125, and mine was an unissued armory shelf queen.. .You'd swear it was a brand new gun..
     
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    I thought about some of the "European" cartridges. Those who own them speak incredibly highly of them. I guess my main concern would be ammo availability, not that things are looking to good now for anything anyways. Im going to a gun auction on the 23rd and their are some Mauser type rifles listed. One is a 1903 7mm Brazilian. They also list a 1903 springfield bolt action in 30/30. I don't know if that is a misprint or if they made them in that cartridge.
     
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    That has to be a misprint on the 1903... They are 30-06... and right now, NOT CHEAP.. I've been wanting one or quite a while and been looking at the last few gun shows. Haven't found a decent one under a grand to $1200 and up...

    As far as available 7mm mauser ammo... just an example..
    http://www.targetsportsusa.com/c-96-7mm-mauser-7x57mm-ammo.aspx
    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/rifle-ammo-7mm-mauser

    Notice it's in stock everywhere.... I've gotten some of the PPU for paper punching, and it's decent shooting ammo... and cheap...

    Granted, though, you won't find 7mm Mauser ammo in your local Wal-Mart ammo case..
     
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    BTW, that would be a 1908 Brazilian.... The same as I have, and my most favorite rifle I have to shoot... I haven't shot my Sewdish yet though... We'll have to see which I like better. I'm betting it will still be the Brazilian.. It's just smooth as butter, and super accurate with open sights and the recoil is a dream...
     
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    I am a .308 fan , check it out....Lever or Bolt or pump as I have.....
     
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    I got a lever action rotating bolt 308. IT's a Winchester 88... Nice gun for sure, but it's not an all day shooter like my Mauser is... First round I let off I could have sworn I was shooting a 1903 Springfield. I could have sworn it was a 30-06... It's also a fair amount heavier than my Mausers..

    The problem is right now.. good luck finding 308 ammo, and when you do, be prepared to pay way too much for it. I've picked up a couple boxes recently, but MAN does it hurt..
     
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    off the rack commercial bolt rifles in 243 308 30-06 are at an all time low cost with an all time out of the box accuracy , and from several manufacturers

    savage really lead the way with the Axis rifle we have seen them on the marker 4-5 years now as the edge or axis 300 dollars gets you an out of the box MOA gun some even reporting sub minute

    why automated cnc machining and injection molded poly a casting or bar stock can go into a machine and come out ready to blue and add a trigger group and barrel , it drops into a stock molded around an aluminum block with a barrel that can be changed out very simply because of the barrel nut desing

    machining tolerances and free floated barrel result in a accurate rifle out of the box
    add in the ease of adding optics with everything already drilled and tapped and i think even comes with the scope mount base.

    Ruger , Marlin and Mossberg all followed with similar rifles in the starting range right around 300 dollars

    mill surplus definitely has more character and there have been some very nice sporter jobs , but for a budget hunting gun that gets it done with no fuss box to range sight in to fields and meat on the table it is hard to beat these new bolts
     
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    Gotta agree about the Mil Sup having more character... I'm not a poly stock fan at all... Just not the same at all as a gun in wood.
     
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    Very little difference in the ballistics of the two rounds.
     
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    No, there isn't much.. matter a fact, usually a 308 will be more accurate.. but I didn't expect as big of kick as I got since the shell is a little shorter... I learned real fast it's not the size of the shell that matters.. LOL.. IT's amazing how much less my 7mm kicks and is the longest shell I have..
     
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    I agree with Greencountypete. There are some fantastic firearms available now at very low prices. Twenty years ago to get a rifle that performed like the new Savages or Marlins would set you back some. If we could only buy the ammo for them it would be great.
     
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    I have been doing some more reading about the ruger american . now i need to get my hands one one of them to try.
     
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    Might want consider my next rifle, a TC Dimension. It is a switch barrel multicaliber design at a reasonable price.
     
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    I'd get the 7/08
    It will be the only rifle you need if you reload for it.
     
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    Again, I have heard some great things about the 7mm/08. I understand it can hit like brick and is a real tack driver. Does anyone have a lot of experience with the .300 win mag? I shot a Savage in that calibre last year and was impressed. The recoil was nothing. At least compared to my chopped down model 37 featherweight.
     
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    358 is a good cal for those also.

    Far as .243 I have a Ruger 77 RSI in .243 that's a really sweet gun.
     
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    The 7-08 is basically the same thing as the 7x57 (7mm Mauser) The only real difference is the length of the case. You can have a shorter bolt action using the 08... The 7-08 is a half inch shorter than the 7x57..

    If you go out and read around on the gun forums out there, you'll find that most 7mm people would rather use the 7x57 over the 7-08.... I agree with them too... There's a WHOLE lot more guns out there that will chamber the 7x57 than the 7-08

    You should go out and read up on the 7mm Mauser round.. It is the round the 30-06 was based on... Springfield had the buy the right from Mauser to be able to design and produce the 30-06... The 7x57 was one of the first really true modern rifle rounds out there, and it's also the oldest modern round..

    a 7-08 is a 308 that has been necked down to 7mm... It was created some where around 1958 or so... then around the 80's some time, Remington decide to adopt it... Where as the 7x57 is it's own animal, created from scratch...

    You can supposedly load the 7x57 to similar pressures as the 7-08, but I sure wouldn't want to try it... The 7-08 can be a tad hotter pressure wise, but if you load a 7x57 to it's maximum known good recipes, it will be a faster round than the 7-08... ballistacally they are so close you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference.. .

    The biggest difference is the number of guns chambered for one over the other...
     
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    I have seen a few pics of the Ruger American and it looks nice! What caliber does that come in?