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Has anyone heard of this dog? I was thinking about buying one from a friend of mine in Brazil he breeds filas. There supposed to be good farm dogs,excellent guard dogs. I was thinking about getting one for hunting,protecting livestock,herding this dog is supposed to do it all. I call it "The Ultimate Dog" because it does just about everything hunting,herding,protecting. I've studied it for around 3-4 years I know most about it...even know a little of it's confirmation....well just the head confirmation really. :haha: Please if you have some stories to share or info about your filas post away! ;) I'm alll ears!! :)

Really, you can't take care of your horse , you cant afford it, you feed it dog food and chicken mcnuggets, you have SO many animals that no one will help with, WHY would you even think of getting a dog. :rolleyes:
People here have seen through you, please stop before you make more of a fool of yourself than you already have.
 

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Fila Brasileiro (aka 'Brazilian Mastiff') is a huge dog (males: 110 lbs minimum, typically range from 140 - 180) and the breed (as a whole) is known for being *extremely* distrustful of strangers. Actually, it's supposed to be the most distrustful of all dogs. Yes, this might sound good for a guard dog - but these require an *very experienced* owner. In fact...

"This is a serious working dog with tremendous strength. Very few people really have the knowledge, facilities, or skills necessary to manage this breed".

I grew up with rottweilers so I'm very familiar with large protective dogs. But the filas make rottweilers look like lap dogs. I - personally - would consider them highly dangerous. (I can't swear to this but I believe they are the only breed where it's not considered a fault if they try to attack the judge at a dog show. :eek: :eek: )

They also drool a lot and are very prone to 'gassiness'.
 

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These are NOT safe pets, frankly. I'm not even convinced that they're safe working dogs.

I have a friend who has gotten several in as she does dogo argentino rescue (and the breeds are somewhat similar) and all of them have been nightmare dogs. If you like the type, look at American Bulldogs or maybe even dogo argentinos- they'er a LOT more managable. From your posts on the equine board, though, I'm not really sure you need ANY dog.

The fila pepole *I"'ve met don't seem to be especially interested in working their dogs, either. They want huge heads, aggressive temperments, and good hips. Haven't seen ANY of them in obedience, herding, or even agility and flyball. *Might* have seen one at a weight pull event, didn't ahve a chance to talk to the owner. I don't know of any in protection sports, either, but I'm involved in those and don't know many people. Just a lot of claims of 'protective' 'killer' and 'giant'.... and very few actual titles to back stuff up.

For REAL, sane protection dogs, German Shepherds and Malinois are the way to go.

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Most German Shepards have to be trained to protect. A fila needs no training to protect I know much about this breed it is just the way they are protective and aggressive. They are gentle wth there family but WILL attack a stranger given the right circumstances. I love the Fila Brasileiro breed I have studied it for many years now and have found an excellent breeder of filas. Not all filas are filas some are mixed with Great Dane,Mastiff,Neopolitan mastiff,ect,ect. Filas are only for people who understand them,understand there temperament and know how to handle them. Everybody has said the same stories over and over again about how great protection dogs they are. A fila would NEVER challenge there owner or look at them funny....not safe around strange people or strange animals COMPLETELY safe and loveable with the family and will love your pets to! :) Get a fila if you want a REAL guard dog and faithful companion that will never let ya down but do a lot of research first before ya get one! :p "Faithful As A Fila".

"Extreme distrust of strangers to the point where he detests being touched by anyone outside his family "
"Providing tons of socialization to avoid indiscriminate aggression"
"Aggression toward other animals"
"Strong-willed mind of his own, requiring a confident owner who can take charge "
"Serious health problems and a short lifespan
Legal liabilities (public perception, future breed bans, insurance problems, increased chance of lawsuits)"


If you have children, I do not recommend a Fila Brasileiro. Young Fila Brasileiros (up to about two years old) can be bulls in a china shop. When they romp and jump, they do so with great vigor, and things can go flying, including people. In addition, Fila Brasileiros may try to protect their own children from other children, which could lead to tragedy if kids are simply roughhousing and your Fila Brasileiro decides to stop it. With such a massive dog, I wouldn't take the risk.

Animal aggression. Some Fila Brasileiros will not tolerate another dog of the same sex. Some have strong instincts to chase and seize cats and other fleeing creatures. If anything goes wrong in the breeding, socializing, training, handling, or management of this breed, it is capable of seriously injuring or killing other animals.

http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/filabrasileiro.html
 

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Judging by the care you take of your other animals, it might be smart to wait until you can afford to feed them before you take on another mouth...

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All dogs have to be trained! Certain breeds have certain characteristics & abilities, but they all have to be Trained to do what is expected of them. No breed is perfect, & all dogs within a specific breed have different personalities. Every dog will respond to training differently & it is up to the trainer to try to modify the behavior of each individual dog to what is acceptable for what it is being trained to do. Many dogs are either aggressive or passive by nature, or their personality. It is up to the owner/trainer to encourage the good traits, & discourage the bad ones. I guess what I'm saying is that it is up to you, as the owner/trainer, to ensure that your dog lives up to it's abilities & your expectations. I've owned many dogs over the past 50yrs, & I'm looking foward to the ones that I'll own in the future. It's just too bad that they can't be with us longer. I find it sadly ironic that our best friends, who offer us unconditional love,service,& loyalty, should be in our lives for such a short time. I just wish that they could really be our friends for life.
 
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Shygal you hit the nail on the head! Thanks for pointing this out again so people won't fall into this kid's trap.

Listen Smith, all you do is post here to stir up trouble. You claim you have studied the breed for "many years"......hmmm exactly how old did you say you were again?? Some of us don't forget all the trouble you stirred up with your Unwanted Horse posting in the equine section.

Let's be honest shall we? ....The only reason you want information on this animal is so you can turn around and sell it for money. Yes, most of us saw your ads of all your other unwanted animals you were trying to sell or get rid of. If anyone has any concerns on this person please check out the Unwanted Horse posting and you'll see what type of person/kid this is.

Now.......be gone before someone drops a house on you!
 

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Smith said:
Has anyone heard of this dog? I was thinking about buying one from a friend of mine in Brazil he breeds filas. There supposed to be good farm dogs,excellent guard dogs. I was thinking about getting one for hunting,protecting livestock,herding this dog is supposed to do it all. I call it "The Ultimate Dog" because it does just about everything hunting,herding,protecting. I've studied it for around 3-4 years I know most about it...even know a little of it's confirmation....well just the head confirmation really. :haha: Please if you have some stories to share or info about your filas post away! ;) I'm alll ears!! :)
Again, more Smithtroll drivel. When Smith has deleted all her posts on this thread you'll know what her origional post was.
 

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Most German Shepards have to be trained to protect. A fila needs no training to protect I know much about this breed it is just the way they are protective and aggressive. They are gentle wth there family but WILL attack a stranger given the right circumstances. I love the Fila Brasileiro breed I have studied it for many years now and have found an excellent breeder of filas. Not all filas are filas some are mixed with Great Dane,Mastiff,Neopolitan mastiff,ect,ect. Filas are only for people who understand them,understand there temperament and know how to handle them. Everybody has said the same stories over and over again about how great protection dogs they are. A fila would NEVER challenge there owner or look at them funny....not safe around strange people or strange animals COMPLETELY safe and loveable with the family and will love your pets to! :) Get a fila if you want a REAL guard dog and faithful companion that will never let ya down but do a lot of research first before ya get one! :p "Faithful As A Fila".
Yeah right. :no: You're a bold-faced liar.

This is Smith's second post on this thread. She posted it after Corgitails response.
 

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Btw folks,

If you go to one of Smith's posts and click on "Profile" you'll find that she starts threads asking for advise and then tells us how bad our advise is and how we are such terrible people then she deletes every message she's posted.

I haven't check this evening but this morning only the last three threads she's started haven't been edited to delete all her posts.

Smith,

You must be very angry for being depraved in some manner and are in grave need of help. I suggest you seek counseling for your problem of craving attention. You could go to an authority at your school, if you're still in school, and tell them you need help.

If you've quit school you can go to an agency or association in your area that gives aid to teenagers in an abusive or bad situation. You can call the main number of the county administration in Morriston and ask whom you need to talk to to get counseling.

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Smith & FilaBrazil2004 are the same troll.

Note the play on words with her topic and alias name. The jig is up.
 

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Smith & FilaBrazil2004 are the same troll.

Note the play on words with her topic and alias name. The jig is up.
Yep, you're right, same troll, same drivel. Hopefully Smith, FilaBrazill2004 and the sister (or Smith, or Ron?) posting as Unregistered will get the message.

I haven't checked on the profile of "FilaBrazil2004 but would bet a dollar to a doughnut most of the posts made by FilaBrazil2004 have also been deleted if she/he didn't agree with the replies that were posted to the thread.

She/he asks a question, disagrees with the replies, leaves in a huff and deletes all her/his posts, starts a new thread to continue the apparent lack of her/his education and good judgement .

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Btw folks,

If you go to one of Smith's posts and click on "Profile" you'll find that she starts threads asking for advise and then tells us how bad our advise is and how we are such terrible people then she deletes every message she's posted.

I haven't check this evening but this morning only the last three threads she's started haven't been edited to delete all her posts.

Fla Gal
For those of you that are interested, as of this evening, 5/29/2004 the last three threads started by Smith are the only ones she hasn't yet deleted her messages from.
 
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For what it's worth, there was a case were a small woman was walking a very large, very aggressive dog in -- iirc -- CA and the dog got loose and attacked another woman and killed her in front of her apartment. The dog was a Fila. The owner was convicted of manslaughter because the dog was known to be aggressive and the owner had encouraged this trait -- and she was not, physically, able to stop the dog when the dog attacked.

Any well-socialized dog will protect his or her owner in the right circumstances. My grandparents had a champion Golden Retriever stud who badly bit a burglar, and Goldens are not generally considered a protective breed. The burglar's parents attempted to sue my grandparents, incidently for harboring an "aggressive" dog -- the burglar was a teenager. (The golden stud was a champion or grand champion, I forget, did obediance and agility, and was a working gun dog. And I used to ride him like a horsey when I was a toddler. Not a problem dog at all, very highly trained, and very sane.)

I have little use for dogs with excessive aggression inbred into them. There's no need for it, there's a high probability of the dog hurting someone, owning an aggressive dog is a legal liability, and you can accomplish the same goal -- personal protection -- with a sane, sensible pet that has the native intelligence to know the difference between a neighbor and a burglar.

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You can't take care of your horse, so why do you want more animals you can't take care of? :no: You should take the $1200 you were going to spend on this dog and use it to buy HORSE FEED to properly feed your horse instead of feeding it dog food and pay someone to trim it's hooves. Besides that if you already know everything about this breed why are you on here asking for info about it? :confused: Same old troll, asks for info or advice and then disses everyone and disagrees with everything that everyone says. There are millions of message boards on the net, why don't go find another to troll on? :yeeha:
 

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For what it's worth, there was a case were a small woman was walking a very large, very aggressive dog in -- iirc -- CA and the dog got loose and attacked another woman and killed her in front of her apartment. The dog was a Fila. The owner was convicted of manslaughter because the dog was known to be aggressive and the owner had encouraged this trait -- and she was not, physically, able to stop the dog when the dog attacked.

Any well-socialized dog will protect his or her owner in the right circumstances. My grandparents had a champion Golden Retriever stud who badly bit a burglar, and Goldens are not generally considered a protective breed. The burglar's parents attempted to sue my grandparents, incidently for harboring an "aggressive" dog -- the burglar was a teenager. (The golden stud was a champion or grand champion, I forget, did obediance and agility, and was a working gun dog. And I used to ride him like a horsey when I was a toddler. Not a problem dog at all, very highly trained, and very sane.)

I have little use for dogs with excessive aggression inbred into them. There's no need for it, there's a high probability of the dog hurting someone, owning an aggressive dog is a legal liability, and you can accomplish the same goal -- personal protection -- with a sane, sensible pet that has the native intelligence to know the difference between a neighbor and a burglar.

Leva

That was a PResa Canario, not a Fila. The woman involved was recently released from prison.
 

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From what you have said it was the lady's fualt. If she knew she had an aggressive dog ESPECIALLY a Fila she should have had a muzzle on the dog or she should have done a lot more research on the dog before she even got one. :no: Filas are for only very experienced people Filas are NOT for everyone. I have down my homework on this breed and know everything about it. I have seen pics,videos I have read a lot the Fila is the right breed for me...but not for everyone. We have owned many protection dogs we've had Sheps,Dobies,Rotties none of them have ever shown any protection. For a while I was thinking about getting a Shep or Rottie but then I found the Fila and absolutely fell in love. I don't know why people are so against guard dogs...well I guess they got there reasons. A sad thing for me to see is so many Fila breeders are mixing filas with mastiffs and everything else destroying the way they look and there temperament. Sometimes it's even hard for me to tell a pure fila from a mixed fila. :no: I understand the risks envolved with owning a fila. We will get one when we have the money. Gerson want's $1200 for his filas but at least I'm assured I'm buying a quality fila with correct confirmation and temperament and from the old Fila Brasileiro bloodlines. Filas are guard dogs by nature it is just the way they are.
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Remember my first post I was interested in if anybody had a fila and if they could share there stories with me. I'm not being a troll I was just interested if anybody else had a fila and if they had a story to tell about there filas. You know like "Our Fila cought a deer when we where hunting" Stories that's all. I know mostly anybody that has a Fila has a story to tell about something they did. I don't feed my horse dog food lol he is fed sweet stuff and Strategy. We don't have $1200 now but when we get it I'll have a faithful companion,guard dog,and hunting dog at my side.
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