The benefits of HIGH cholesterol

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  1. mysticokra

    mysticokra Well-Known Member

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    "People with high cholesterol live the longest. This statement seems so incredible that it takes a long time to clear one´s brainwashed mind to fully understand its importance. Yet the fact that people with high cholesterol live the longest emerges clearly from many scientific papers. Consider the finding of Dr. Harlan Krumholz of the Department of Cardiovascular Medicine at Yale University, who reported in 1994 that old people with low cholesterol died twice as often from a heart attack as did old people with a high cholesterol.1 Supporters of the cholesterol campaign consistently ignore his observation, or consider it as a rare exception, produced by chance among a huge number of studies finding the opposite."

    THe above quote is from the Weston A. Price foundation's information in their Spring 2004 edition of "Wise Traditions". For full details see http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/benefits_cholest.htm

    In the same issue there was also an article on the dangers of prolonged exposure to the statin drugs. See http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/statin.html

    Imagine my surprise when the evening corporate propaganda moment (formerly known as THE NEWS) promoted a finding from industry financed research that said doctors are planning on putting the patients on statin drugs for life.

    Not once did they even present an opposing position to whether or not this is a good idea. Given that the majority of their advertising moments are about prescription drugs, the conflict of interest was remarkable.
     
  2. countrygrrrl

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    I had an elderly aunt who had hyperlipidemia, which is (I think!) genetic high blood fats --- she lived well into her 90's.

    :rolleyes:

    I heard the other day they've lowered the bar on cholesterol, and now want anyone with readings 70 or above on statins.

    :rolleyes:
     

  3. Cyngbaeld

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    When the popular news starts reporting on studies that are not funded by the mega drug and food corporations I might start believing them a little. All this colesterol hype was started by one man with no basis in fact. Then the big corps saw $$$$$$$$$$$$ and jumped on the band wagon. And of course they fund the news machine and woo the docs continuously. I better stop here, I'm starting to get going on this soap box and I better give someone else a turn...
     
  4. soulsurvivor

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    well, let me jump right in then, cause I have and have always had high cholestrol. It's a family trait. Even medication doesn't reduce it. When I had triple bypass at 47, the specialists were all clicking about how it was the high cholestrol that was a main cause, and hey, I was underweight, on Lipitor (a high dose), and very controlled diet, and my cholestrol was at its lowest level ever in my entire life. So much for the low. After surgery, I tried to continue taking statins, but just simply couldn't tolerate them - I kept feeling like my heart was going 100 miles an hour, so after much back and forthing to this specialist and that, I just took myself off statins. I've felt better ever since. And I'm much stronger than I was when on that crap, cause at one point I was being so weak in my legs I almost couldn't walk. I hate medicine. My brother and my mom are on statins. I'm never taking them again. My decision.
     
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    Soulsurvivor, everyone I know on meds is in horrid shape and getting put on more meds every day.

    I wonder what happened to the simple philosophy of moderation in all things? Maybe if everyone would just eat simple, good food, spend our days moving around (like we're built to do) and stopped drowing ourselves in television, we could bring the drug companies to their knees.

    Given how much money there's in it, though, I suspect not a one of us will live to see the day. :rolleyes:
     
  6. mysticokra

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    Thanks Soul Survivor. If you get a chance to read the article on the link about the danger of statin drugs See http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/statin.html

    I would be interested in knowing if the symptoms they described sound familiar, assuming that's not too personal a question.

    My mom has a plethora of maladies that I believe are related to her excessive medication load.

    Thanks.
     
  7. Pigeon Lady

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    Thanks for posting this. I'm going to copy it and give it to my friend Sharon.

    She has extremely high cholesterol and has been taking Lipitor for a few years now. She's had the most AWFULL year. And all her symptoms are in this article! The wobbly gait, slurred speech, muscle pain, seziure type attacks that aren't really seizures. One trip after another to the ER where she's left sitting for 5 hours at a time only to be told "you can go home now" after a brief once over by the doc. The treatment she's recieved at the hospital here (Fayetteville NC) has been atrocious. Once she was handed a little piece of gauze and told to "go ahead and take that IV out and then you're free to go home" !!! They couldn't be bothered to do it for her!

    She's incurred incredible debt from all the times the rescue squad has had to come out to her. Not to mention the mountain of medications they've given her that after a couple of doses put her back in the ER. (can't take the unused 50 pills back for a refund!) And no money other than the $800 a month the ex husband sent. Her rent was $750! The job she came down here for fell through due to lack of funding. I was doing all I could to help but at one point I was sure they were going to end up in a shelter. She's alone with 2 children.

    It's been a nightmare to say the least! BUT, happily, she has managed to start a little business and things are better financially at this point.

    She's not taking Lipitor anymore but they started her on something else yesterday and she sounded awfull on the phone last night.

    P.L.
     
  8. shakeytails in KY

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    I've never had my cholesterol checked because I've always thought it was a bunch of hooey. I guess I was right! Thanks for the links!
     
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    Thanks for the information!!!!
     
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    Yes, an interesting theory and amazing testiments, just shows that each person is different, I guess. But I still believe the world is round and still believe in evolution---too many studies have found that high cholesterol is related to blockages of the arteries---even BEFORE statins came into existance. But I sure am tired of all those perscription drug ads, especially the ones for male disfunction (give me a break!). I wouldn't put anything past our drug companies who seem to own our government at this time. Anyone want to vote for price controls of drugs? Anyone want to buy them from Canada?
     
  11. Mudwoman

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    Thanks for posting this.

    If you go on the web site for the American Heart Association, you will find information on the Framington study that found no correlation in the reduction of heart attacks and statins. They also found that there were as many people that had heart attacks and heart disease with low cholesterol levels as high. This has lead to other studies that seem to suggest that atherosclerosis is an inflamation related disease. There is also new information suggesting that aspirin therapy does not necessarily work due to thinning of the blood, but rather the effects it has as an anti-inflammatory drug. There is also information that may suggest that it isn't cholesterol that causes heart disease, but rather high triglycerides and high triglycerides also coincides with studies that show that people with diabetes have a much, much higher incidence of heart disease and heart attacks.

    My cholesterol has always been high also. When I was in high school and 95 lbs wet, it was around 190. Now it stays at 265. For a few months I took Lipitor, 10 mg qd. Within 2 months, cholesterol was down to 165. Within 4 months I was having severe muscle cramps, kidney flank pain. I took myself off. Within a month, I was back up to 265. Doc was not happy with me. He kept telling me that the side effects would subside. Yeah right!

    Doc still wants me on a statin drug and I tell him NO. Until there is sufficient studies that prove that statins not only decrease cholesterol, but also prevent heart disease and heart attacks, I'm letting my body do its thing. I try and really watch my fat intake. My triglycerides are great and so is my HDL.

    I also have a personal theory on this. I have seen patients in liver failure and kidney failure. What have I accomplished if I prevent a heart attack, but destroy my liver and kidneys-----which the statins can do-----otherwise there would be no rhabdomyosis or liver tests every 60 days. Sometimes, having a heart attack doesn't seem like the worst thing that can happen.

    Charlee
     
  12. countrygrrrl

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    Ana, unfortunately, the data supporting cholesterol as a cause of heart disease is pretty flakey, not to mention, inconclusive. Furthermore, if you look at heart attack rates since the low fat craze began, they're higher. And these higher rates aren't only a result of the availability of fast foods.

    I just look at my own family and how long everyone lived (not just that one elderly aunt) way back when they were eating everything that supposedly kills you :haha: (lots of real cream, meats, butter) --- and how quality of life certainly seems to deteriorate rather quickly, once you begin depending solely on the sawbones and the so-called *empirical evidence* (which too often is anything but unbiased OR empirical).

    Not to mention, if I'm going to kick the bucket, let it be at the hands of a nice big bowl of real strawberries and REAL cream ;) , not some kidney-liver-muscle killing drug prescribed to me not for my benefit, but to feed the drug company monster. :no:


     
  13. Countrybumpkin

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    You all got me wondering...I take Tricor for high triglyecerides, and looked through the info posted on the sites mentioned, and didn't see if one was better off w/ high tri's or not...I hate taking those pills all the time, and the cost... :eek:...I hav noticed a profound change in attitude, and have joint ache at night now, and have been on the drugs about 3 years...anyone know-or read-where one is able to live to a ripe old age w/ a higher tri level, w/o meds?
     
  14. soulsurvivor

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    sorry to be so late getting back to this thread - busy life right now. I scanned through the article, and thanks for posting it. As for me and my health and how my symptoms relate to someone else, please don't use me as any kind of model to go by, for I certainly don't fit any norm out there. All of my dad's side of the family died young from heart related conditions, mainly arterosclerosis. My mom's side of the family is living to be 100 and beyond so far. So what I inherited, I can't say. But I do know one thing, statins created more health problems for me than they cured or prevented. I started on Zocor back in the early 90s and took that for 5 years, feeling really lousy and tired, the calf muscles in my legs hurt so bad and got so overdeveloped I almost couldn't walk, and at age 47 I had congestive heart failure and almost died. After the heart surgery all I heard was how imperative it was that I get my cholestrol under control and was put on a high dose of Lipitor. I honestly thought I was going to die - again. I was in and out of the hospital, going home with heart monitors, feeling totally drained of any energy. After I had a pin stroke and went through all that hell - temporary loss of function on the right side of my body - I came home with a determination that I was going to fight and fight I did. I took myself off of Lipitor, started calcium/mineral supplements, started a rigorous walking program, and still watched what I ate. And it worked. Let me say this - I still have sometimes severe pain in both my kidneys and liver, although nothing from medical tests have shown anything, and I still, even with the walking program, have severe cramps in the calves of my legs, having to stop every 5 minutes and massage the cramps out so I can keep walking. I only take the following medications now - atenolol for high blood pressure control, 325 mg of plain aspirin daily, and Barefoot coral calcium plus 3 times daily. I feel better now than I have in a long time. I haven't been to my doctor in the last year and a half. I have my strength back. I don't have all the pain I used to have. And I smoke like a freight train, at least a pack a day. My nerves are wonderful, and I am my old rebel self again. :)
     
  15. mysticokra

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    Thanks SoulSurvivor for being so candid. I often hear similar stories from other statin patients.

    Aging sucks, but it doesn't have to make one an invalid.

    We were surprised at how our daily aches and pain diminshed when we traded some of the daily sugar in our diet for unprocessed goat milk.
     
  16. Maura

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    It just irritates me every time I hear or read about fussing over one's cholesterol. It was shown years ago that cholesterol level has no relation to heart attacks. Yet, I keep running into people who are worried about theirs. My family doctor told me some ten years ago that premenapausel women are protected from heart attacks by their estrogen levels UNLESS she has a certain disease (I think lupis).

    I refuse to have my cholesterol checked, and I'm 50. MY poor wee heart? I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't eat much junk food, I exercise as much as my body will let me, and I don't worry about red herrings like cholesterol.
     
  17. renee7

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    You guys are something else. You all know what you are talking about. My mom and dad, loved bacon, bacon grease, chicken fat, butter, cream, all of that. and oh yeah, for the last 7 yrs of their life they pretty much lost their appetite, and lived mostly on eggs. They both lived to be 97

    And once I read a paper from an alternative Dr. And he said, if you don't eat your cholestrol, the liver goes crazy making it's own. To me, considering what I knew about mambers of my family, it made a lot of sense.

    The Dr. have tried every time that I've gone to the Dr to put me on Med to bring my chol. down. 3 yrs ago it was 365. I went to a new Dr yesterday. I have to go for blood tests, Mon. I'm just waiting for her to hit the cieling when I won't take the med. but posts like this, are encourageing. I'm going to stick to my guns.
     
  18. missyinohio

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    I have wondered about this since I saw the ad for Lipitor and the voiceover that says (something like) "Lipitor has not been shown to reduce or prevent heart attacks". I thought to myself, "but isn't that WHY they prescribe it?" So after reading this thread, I got down my bottle of Vit C, and am stopping the Lipitor. Though I am overweight, my mom isn't and her colesterol is high too, so I guess it's genetic.