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I know what the law said. I also know how that law was used to forcibly remove unwilling people from productive homesteads onto trash land where they could not grow crops. There was no compensation. Those forcibly removed were not allowed to take anything with them. Read some historical accounts of the Trail of Tears.
if you know what the law said, then you should know it didn’t forbid land ownership to anyone. Again, ownership is different than merely claiming.
I’m familiar with the trail of tears, seems like I also read about the Cherokee run after that. oklahoma being so unproductive that many white settlers fought hard (many cheated) to get their 160 acres.
 

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You are blending 2 statements of mine. I never said the forced removal was the one that said they could not own land. I haven't had time to search the land ownership issue.

You obviously do not know the difference in climate, soils and native vegetation between Oklahoma and the eastern lands the Cherokee were forced from. Since you do not understand the 2 areas have distinctly different growing conditions I cannot explain to you why the Cherokee farmers had a difficult time growing crops in Oklahoma. The govt expected them to become cattle ranchers.

As for the land rush, Americans are stupid. They'll take anything given to them "free" from the govt.
 

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if you know what the law said, then you should know it didn’t forbid land ownership to anyone. Again, ownership is different than merely claiming.
I’m familiar with the trail of tears, seems like I also read about the Cherokee run after that. oklahoma being so unproductive that many white settlers fought hard (many cheated) to get their 160 acres.
History doesn't appear to be your strong suite.

Back then a claim proved ip was ownership, you're equating modern ideas to the past.

As to the strip run, that was just the last governmentl land steal of some basically worthless ground
 

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History doesn't appear to be your strong suite.

Back then a claim proved ip was ownership, you're equating modern ideas to the past.

As to the strip run, that was just the last governmentl land steal of some basically worthless ground
A claim is only a claim. Anyone can claim anything, doesn’t mean squat. “Proved up“ didn’t make a claim owned. It also required proper legal paperwork, recognized by the government. Somewhere in my stuff I have the original paperwork my grandfather got which granted him ownership of his 120 acres of so-called worthless desert land in eastern Oregon. Nothing on it but rattlesnakes and sagebrush until he cleared it, leveled it, put a cabin on it, built irrigation ditches and was farming it. In today’s market... 8-10k per acre. Hardly worthless!
 

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You are blending 2 statements of mine. I never said the forced removal was the one that said they could not own land. I haven't had time to search the land ownership issue.

You obviously do not know the difference in climate, soils and native vegetation between Oklahoma and the eastern lands the Cherokee were forced from. Since you do not understand the 2 areas have distinctly different growing conditions I cannot explain to you why the Cherokee farmers had a difficult time growing crops in Oklahoma. The govt expected them to become cattle ranchers.

As for the land rush, Americans are stupid. They'll take anything given to them "free" from the govt.
I’m far more aware than you may think. About numerous subjects. :)
see my post to coolrunnin directly above.
 

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I believe that is exactly the point I made with one exception. It is in the Constitution - 10th amendment combined with Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution, that gives the states both the right and the obligation to provide for a secure and safe environment and to protect an individual's rights.
If you were right, and to do what you want, they would have to put a policeman on every corner. Catching the criminals isn't the problem, the courts keep turning them loose, because the prisons are at capacity now. The problem isn't with the police, it's the growing criminal element. As the population grows the percentage of criminals grows.
 

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Police powers within a state are defined by that state's constitution, which must be in compliance with the US Constitution.
That is the theory, unfortunately it isn't always the case. There is little consistency in the laws from one state to the next. It is often left up to the whim of some politician, with little regard to right or wrong.
 

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I know what the law said. I also know how that law was used to forcibly remove unwilling people from productive homesteads onto trash land where they could not grow crops. There was no compensation. Those forcibly removed were not allowed to take anything with them. Read some historical accounts of the Trail of Tears.
The Trail of Tears, shows how little regard politicians have for the Constitution, or laws in general. They almost always do whatever will get them the most votes, at election time.
 

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The Trail of Tears, shows how little regard politicians have for the Constitution, or laws in general. They almost always do whatever will get them the most votes, at election time.
The trail of tears involved non citizens exempt from any protection under the constitution. They were a conquered people. To the victor goes the spoils and like that.
 

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The trail of tears involved non citizens exempt from any protection under the constitution. They were a conquered people. To the victor goes the spoils and like that.
You did it again
 

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I specifically picked going to school because it is a government facility that sets the hours a student is expected to attend and tells the family of the child what means of transportation to school are offered. At that point, the state has taken on the safety of that child.
Armoured school buses !?!? Take your own to school and provide their safety. Everyone can't get police escort...
 

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If you were right, and to do what you want, they would have to put a policeman on every corner. Catching the criminals isn't the problem, the courts keep turning them loose, because the prisons are at capacity now. The problem isn't with the police, it's the growing criminal element. As the population grows the percentage of criminals grows.
Exactly! It would never stop . Sidewalks highways and anything else!
 
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