I would just like people who own goats or are thinking of getting them to know what I've just gone through. My two boys that I got had horns and were intact and a few months after I got them got very destructive with their horns including the siding on our home. I wanted another baby from a friend but he warned me that the two I had would have hurt the baby intentionally or otherwise with their horns. I therefore had their horns removed by a vet. They came home with bandages and very little aftercare. One of them has healed nicely with very little problems but unfortunately, the other developed problems including an infection. I am thankful for a neighbor vet who showed me how to flush the openings and now he is finally after a month starting to heal. Please, please if at all possible have this done when they are babies. My little one was done then and he's doing wonderful. My boys are truly a part of our family and I care deeply for them. I slept very little the first few days home from the vet. It may hurt the babies in those few minutes or longer with the banding on the other areas but believe me, it's a lot better than this. Had I known this I really don't think I would have put them through this. By the way, they are both doing really well now and are just like big dogs.