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What is standard procedure when you buy a pup with papers?

the seller claims the pups are purebred and papered but won't give them until they are a year "because she doesn't want them bred before a year old".

Does that sound right? My neighbor's mom is paying $300 to this woman for the remaining pup (sister to the one I bought) and I am just interested in knowing if this is the norm......

She (the buyer) wrote up a contract stating that $200 was payable upfront (in payments agreed on by the seller) but the remaining $100 would be paid when she received the papers and pedigree. (She hadn't discussed this with the seller prior to getting the pup and making the first payment and got worried that the seller was trying to pull a fast one)

The seller didn't not write up the contract because she doesn't have the sense God gave her, and she is a bit of a flake.... she didn't have me sign anything either..... but I am not paying full price either....

It doesn't matter to me if the dog is papered or not because we plan to have her spayed as soon as she is old enough......

But I thought if the pup was registered, you had to send in paperwork after you named it and etc...... how does the process work?

Can someone enlighten me?
 

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The last time we bought a dog with papers (9 years ago), we were given the new owner registration form at purchase. From what I remember, the breeder sends the club a litter registration form. The club will send individual forms that go with each pup when it is sold. The new owner fills out the form on their own time, pays the fee and the dog is officially registered.

I would be wary of this person.
 

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If the breeder chooses to retain AKC registration, it HAS to be in writing per AKC. Papers cannot be charged extra for. The way I, and many breeders deal with this is one of two ways. If I am selling a puppy that I do not feel is suitable for breeding, I put on the contract that the puppy is companion quality. I also state that AKC registration will be given upon receipt of proof of spay/neuter from the attending vet. Now that is not going to prevent breeding from people who intend to breed without papers, but I request that the deed is done at 6 months old and I send reminders and follow up to assure it is done. I also state that if it is not done in time and the pup produces a litter, that the entire litter and a fee of $2,500 is due to me when the litter reaches 8 weeks old. I cannot legally force someone to alter a dog they purchased but I can make sure that the resulting pups (which are technically mine as the dog is still in my name) do not wind up in shelters, rescues or inadequate homes and charge a fee for thier care until they are placed (the $2,500).
Now if the dog is sold as a show prospect as I beleive it will turn out, I will sell under co-ownership. I then state that if the dog turns out not to be of quality to be bred, that the dog can be returned OR altered. I also require that the dog is health tested before being bred and hips are OFA'd at the age of 2. Therefore, that takes out the risk of the dog being bred before 2 yrs old. If it does turn out to be of the quality I beleive it will be and has no health issues, I will sign off as co-owner after I determine that to be the case.

If your freind has no intention of breeding, then she can tell the breeder that and ask for limited registration upon proof of alter. If she does want "breeding rights" then she should ask for the breeder to write up a contract that states the dog will not be bred until 1 yr old (I would hope this is a toy breed) or until health testing is complete. She may also suggest a co-ownership until the dog is the age the breeder requests. But no, papers cannot be retained once the dog is paid for and possession of the dog has changed without a written contract. Your freind could call AKC and report her.
 

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Yeah, papers should be given at time of purchase.
I just bought a 4 month old pup and got the papers at time of purchase.
 

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If you want papers get them when you buy the puppy or you will most likely have a headache ahead of you trying to get them later on. My guess would be these pups are registered with a bogus registry set up for puppy mills and thats why she isn't letting you see the papers ahead of time. A lot of small breeds are registered with the CKC or APR.
 

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At the very least if the papers are not available when the pup is picked up- they MUST provide date of birth, parents names and registration numbers and date they plan to provide papers by on a contract. That way if papers are never received by that date, AKC can be contacted and they will make sure the breeder signs off (unless contact provides for agreement to the contrary).
 

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I hope this won't be too off topic. I bought a GSD puppy 3 weeks ago and was given the AKC paperwork to complete and send in. I have no intention of breeding her and will have her spayed when she is about 6 months old in January. Why would I need to register her with AKC?

(I have adopted a few adult GSD's over the past several years, and always had them spayed or neutered. These were rescues and retired breeding stock and I never got any papers with them.)
 

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See, someone says "papers" and everyone assumes AKC...'taint necessairly so! Lotta bogus "papers" or "registration" out there!

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I hope this won't be too off topic. I bought a GSD puppy 3 weeks ago and was given the AKC paperwork to complete and send in. I have no intention of breeding her and will have her spayed when she is about 6 months old in January. Why would I need to register her with AKC?

(I have adopted a few adult GSD's over the past several years, and always had them spayed or neutered. These were rescues and retired breeding stock and I never got any papers with them.)

If you register the dog with AKC you can participate in dog activites like tracking, obedience, agility...etc. A dog that is NOT AKC registered cannot do that. If you wait several months/years to register the dog, it will cost MUCH more if you do decide to register it (ask me how I know!!). And, you do not HAVE to register the dog.

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There is several reasons for registering a pup with AKC. The first is as Frogmammy outlined- to compete in AKC events, another reason is that if something happens and you need to rehome the dog, it is proof that it is a purebred. Another reason is when you register with AKC, you can get pet insurance for free for a trial period (though I have decided it is not worth a dime in a healthy pup that does not have an accident and you have to have a vet that will take it)
 
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