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#1 ·
The illegitimate Biden administration is going to go hog wild on gun control. If, probably by executive order, but with complete backing of his party, they want total registration of all firearms, what will you do?
Major fines a stiff prison sentences plus a felony conviction if you disobey.
Here in the Great Socialist State Of New York we are always teetering on that edge.
Now there are records in various gun shops listing the firearms I've purchased. But there is no record of firearms bought off friends, inherited, or were given as gifts.
It is estimated that of all firearms in existence in the world 80% are in the hands of American citizens.
Do we flatly refuse?
Put up a a token acceptance but hide the rest? As a student of history we all know were this will eventually go. We are in very dangerous times right now.
What are you thoughts on this hypothetical situation?
Can America survive?
 
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Something we may have to consider sooner...... if martial law happens, will legal registered guns be seized from us? I was trying to find out more about martial law, and another forum came up. One thing was that after Katrina, over 1,000 legally registered guns were seized, not as a result of violence or abuse, but as I read it, for safety. I wonder if those people got their guns back after?
I don’t think our local LEO would enforce unreasonable laws. But, definitely something to decide before it becomes an issue. And I don’t think ‘I lost it or it fell in the lake last summer’ will cut it for known items.
Stinks. What are you going to do when there’s a knock at the door in the middle of the night and there’s a search? Hard not to leave a trail these days for anything.... Hard, but not impossible. Definitely something to consider, the sooner the better.
 
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Something we may have to consider sooner...... if martial law happens, will legal registered guns be seized from us? I was trying to find out more about martial law, and another forum came up. One thing was that after Katrina, over 1,000 legally registered guns were seized, not as a result of violence or abuse, but as I read it, for safety. I wonder if those people got their guns back after?
I don’t think our local LEO would enforce unreasonable laws. But, definitely something to decide before it becomes an issue. And I don’t think ‘I lost it or it fell in the lake last summer’ will cut it for known items.
Stinks. What are you going to do when there’s a knock at the door in the middle of the night and there’s a search? Hard not to leave a trail these days for anything.... Hard, but not impossible. Definitely something to consider, the sooner the better.
Every tyrannical mandate is executed in the name of “public safety”. That’s why this whole mask mandate grinds my gears.
 
#3 ·
The social media platform Parler had 1.5 millions downloads just last Saturday alone.
Amazon owned the servers they used, and together with google and twitter deplatformed them yesterday. They are "poof".
Godaddy booted arf.com. This is a large and well known firearm forum going since the 90s.
SecondCityCob, a site run by Chicago area police officers has been bumped as well.
 
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The social media platform Parler had 1.5 millions downloads just last Saturday alone.
Amazon owned the servers they used, and together with google and twitter deplatformed them yesterday. They are "poof".
I don't doubt Parler will find a new server. Nevertheless I cancelled my Amazon Prime and all subscriptions as well as deleted all the billing and address info. Anyone who stays with Amazon is supporting China Joe and the CCP.
I also deleted my Firefox and Chrome browsers and moved to Brave for the same reason.I use Duckduckgo as my search engine.
I'm in the process of switching to Protonmail and will kill my gmail once I'm comfortable with Protonmail.
I also don't buy any product with a sports logo on it. Actually, generics work just fine for me anyway.
 
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I don’t know. Another reason to sit home and worry about hypothetical BS. I don’t have the time.
Same as when they wanted you to register for the draft back when I was a kid. “They’ll come and arrest you if you don’t “.
Someone knocks on my door in the middle of the night they better have a good reason, or they’ll get the same reception anyone else would.
In Illinois you were supposed to register your guns as far as I remember. I never did when I lived there, neither did anyone I know.
 
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I don’t know. Another reason to sit home and worry about hypothetical BS. I don’t have the time.
Same as when they wanted you to register for the draft back when I was a kid. “They’ll come and arrest you if you don’t “.
Someone knocks on my door in the middle of the night they better have a good reason, or they’ll get the same reception anyone else would.
In Illinois you were supposed to register your guns as far as I remember. I never did when I lived there, neither did anyone I know.
Without law enforcement, politicians are just grumpy rich people with bad ideas. The government is wholly unorganized; trying to get everyone, all 335,000,000 of us, to obey to something so wrong will be very difficult
 
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scotus generally won't actually act until it has happened and is contested.

Mass Non compliance is already happening in some states that have been pushed to the edge CA thinks it has only registered 5% of "assault weapons" same for NY.

about 85% of ILL counties went second amendment sanctuary status in 2019

the county second amendment sanctuary resolutions are making progress this is a statement by the county board that they do not wish to uphold unconstitutional law not have any plans to fund such invasions of the peoples rights.

it very much comes down to an enforcement issue the Fed doesn't have the manpower to enforce, they intend on relying on the local PD and Sherriff to do their dirty work.

local police choose not to enforce laws every day they work on a budget same as everyone else they put their manpower where it does the best good for the safety of the community.
 
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scotus generally won't actually act until it has happened and is contested.

Mass Non compliance is already happening in some states that have been pushed to the edge CA thinks it has only registered 5% of "assault weapons" same for NY.

about 85% of ILL counties went second amendment sanctuary status in 2019

the county second amendment sanctuary resolutions are making progress this is a statement by the county board that they do not wish to uphold unconstitutional law not have any plans to fund such invasions of the peoples rights.

it very much comes down to an enforcement issue the Fed doesn't have the manpower to enforce, they intend on relying on the local PD and Sherriff to do their dirty work.

local police choose not to enforce laws every day they work on a budget same as everyone else they put their manpower where it does the best good for the safety of the community.
Yes yes yes
 
#9 ·
I wonder what happened to the records held by gun shops that have gone out of business?

One gun shop owner I know of has changed computer systems 3 times since opening their business. Each time their records somehow got purged by the computer updates, no backwards compatible programs, lost "cloud" host etc.

If Sam's Club can't keep my tire warranty records for 6 months I sure hope my gun shop owners have the same problem.
 
#10 ·
I wonder what happened to the records held by gun shops that have gone out of business?
They're required to send their records to BATF when their dealer license expires.

One gun shop owner I know of has changed computer systems 3 times since opening their business. Each time their records somehow got purged by the computer updates, no backwards compatible programs, lost "cloud" host etc.
If that's true, he really should be keeping quiet about it. If the wrong bureaucrat hears about it and wants a convenient target, he could have a major problem. Bureaucrats with more power than honesty can do an incredible amount of damage to innocent people.
 
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And yet the agencies that are supposed to report banned people to the feds just don't report and never face penalties. And they wonder why the system is broken and the citizens are up in arms about requiring background checks on private sales. I was just reading about Ohio courts and their backlog of case reporting.
 
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this is a repeated problem

anything you the government says they can do for your oh trust us we have your back , their promises are garbage. they way over sell and under deliver , a lot of the people who purchased guns then went on to kill numerous people should have been prohibited yet due to complacency in reporting were given a green light on their purchase.

what good is your list if it only abuses the law abiding and does nothing to prevent the criminal.
 
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they are required to send any records of whats left of the records that are Less than 20 years old to the ATF.

interesting thing is it seems like a lot of coastal dealers keep their cardboard boxes full of records on the bottom shelf.

after every hurricane many boxes of wet and molding records are turned over to the ATF freeing the dealers of the liability of keeping them.
 
#21 ·
When you buy a gun, you fill out the federal paperwork and they gun shop either calls in or gets on the internet, sends in your info to make sure you are safe to purchase a gun. If you check out, they sell you the gun. It's up to the gun shop to retain the paperwork and I'm not sure how long they have to retain it? It's also quite obvious that many gun shop owners are marginal business people, so their handling of paperwork and records is probably pretty sketchy. A detective PD buddy of mine tells me it's pretty tough to actually trace a gun by serial numbers, since all the records are retained by the gun shops. Having said that, chances are slim that the authorities would be able to go to some central database and determine what guns everyone has.

And don't forget about all the private transactions. It's completely legal in most states to sell, give away, or barter a gun to anyone you want without any paperwork. There are millions of these transactions. There are also millions of guns in private hands that were sold way before any of the paperwork and background check stuff ever became necessary.

Rounding up guns would be a nightmare job and very dangerous for local law enforcement and the majority of these LEOs are pro gun, pro 2nd Amendment guys anyway that won't want anything to do with such a chore. I'm really not too fearful of this ever happening.

What does worry me is that the federal government will start implementing goofy new taxes and regs that make it more costly and difficult to purchase certain firearms, components and ammunition. They may also try to outlaw things like high capacity mags, AR style semi autos, etc.? No matter if you like them or not, we should all join the and support either the NRA or the Gun Owners of America. They do a lot of stuff in Washington to help up retain our gun ownership 2nd amendment rights.
 
#22 ·
for every reason that you mentioned is exactly why "people" in power want to make changes so that every gun gets registered into a database , they will start with every gun needing a background check this creates a paper trail even if a poor one.

the sad part is TV has the masses convinced such a database both already exists and work. Canada tried for 20 years and wasted billions of dollars registering every gun to every owner and requiring storage conditions. it doesn't work the people who follow laws already don't break the ones they are worried about , like don't murder , don't hold up convenience stores.

however the powers that be are working on keeping in-power and not actually worried about public safety , they use public safety as the excuse but their actions show their goals to be disingenuous.
 
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Gab is another up and coming media platform that has been so overwhelmed by facebook twitter refugees that the site has slowed way down.
It is almost humorous that if you look up the Parler and Gab discriptions on Wikipedia, they are considered alt right, loaded with conspiracy theorists, skin heads, neo nazis and extremist groups. I have found none of those during my experience. I found some homesteading groups. However,skin heads are about like being offended, if I'm not looking for it I usually don't find it.
https://gab.com/
 
#28 ·
I believe that the upcoming administration will have no qualms about the abuse of power. Especially with their media propaganda machine.
At the slightest disagreement you will be labeled as a Right Wing racist anarchists.
And remember, without ammunition A firearm is just a pretty stick.
I did a little inventory the other day and figured out that for the amount of hunting I do, I have a lifetime supply.
Where I burn it up is target shooting.
What I use in .22's for an entire season of squirrel hunting gets burned up in maybe five or ten minutes on the range.
Its not unusual to come home from work and knock off 50 or 60 rounds on my pistol range several times a week.
The price of ammo is very restrictive right now do to increased demand.
So what if they add a buck a bullet tax on top?
Not a far fetched idea for a dictatorship in the making.
A bill was proposed in NY ( from the NYC area) that you could only purchase per month the amount of ammunition your firearm would hold.
As I shoot trap with a sxs it would take 13 months to accumulate enough ammo for one round of trap.
Guess those hundred bird shoots get farther and farther apart.
 
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So what if they add a buck a bullet tax on top?
A buck a bullet would suck, but be manageable. Then I read this "In support of the government’s buyback program, i.e., the carrot, Biden has added a gun tax for anyone who wishes to keep their rifles and high-capacity magazines. If you want to avoid the buyback and keep your guns and high-capacity (greater than ten rounds) magazine, you would have to register both under the National Firearms Act, which triggers a $200 tax for each rifle and magazine—the stick. The stick behind the stick is a penalty of up to ten years in federal prison and a $10,000 fine. Registration involves filling out a thirteen-page registration form and providing fingerprints and a photograph of yourself. " If that is passed, and it may very well be now that the Senate was lost to the Democrats, that the tax could added to ammunition as well.
 
#35 ·
Todd got it.

Lyin' Biden is going to do a run around the Second Amendment by taxing everything guns. Not just a one time tax, but yearly. Sure you can have guns - but like everything lately, only the rich will be able to afford them.
 
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Posted 1/13/21 8:09 PM CST

I figure to do the same as I did during the Clinton and Obama years and respond to what the administrations and Congress try to push as it develops.

Throughout the past 40 years all U.S. politicians have been aware that the "largest standing armed force " in the U.S. are the private citizens who legally own firearms for sporting and home defense , that the majority of law enforcement supports legal citizen firearm ownership.

The politicians also know that the citizens who legally own firearms and the LEOs who support their right to do so all vote and have the politicians jobs in their hands at the voting booth.
 
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