[JJ Grandits]

The illegitimate Biden administration is going to go hog wild on gun control. If, probably by executive order, but with complete backing of his party, they want total registration of all firearms, what will you do?
Major fines a stiff prison sentences plus a felony conviction if you disobey.
Here in the Great Socialist State Of New York we are always teetering on that edge.
Now there are records in various gun shops listing the firearms I've purchased. But there is no record of firearms bought off friends, inherited, or were given as gifts.
It is estimated that of all firearms in existence in the world 80% are in the hands of American citizens.
Do we flatly refuse?
Put up a a token acceptance but hide the rest? As a student of history we all know were this will eventually go. We are in very dangerous times right now.
What are you thoughts on this hypothetical situation?
Can America survive?

 

[Rchickenlady]

Something we may have to consider sooner...... if martial law happens, will legal registered guns be seized from us? I was trying to find out more about martial law, and another forum came up. One thing was that after Katrina, over 1,000 legally registered guns were seized, not as a result of violence or abuse, but as I read it, for safety. I wonder if those people got their guns back after?
I don’t think our local LEO would enforce unreasonable laws. But, definitely something to decide before it becomes an issue. And I don’t think ‘I lost it or it fell in the lake last summer’ will cut it for known items.
Stinks. What are you going to do when there’s a knock at the door in the middle of the night and there’s a search? Hard not to leave a trail these days for anything.... Hard, but not impossible. Definitely something to consider, the sooner the better.

 

[GTX63]

The social media platform Parler had 1.5 millions downloads just last Saturday alone.
Amazon owned the servers they used, and together with google and twitter deplatformed them yesterday. They are "poof".
Godaddy booted arf.com. This is a large and well known firearm forum going since the 90s.
SecondCityCob, a site run by Chicago area police officers has been bumped as well.

 

[CKelly78z]

All of my guns were lost in an unfortunate deep sea fishing trip accident...nothing to see here !

 

[67drake]

I don’t know. Another reason to sit home and worry about hypothetical BS. I don’t have the time.
Same as when they wanted you to register for the draft back when I was a kid. “They’ll come and arrest you if you don’t “.
Someone knocks on my door in the middle of the night they better have a good reason, or they’ll get the same reception anyone else would.
In Illinois you were supposed to register your guns as far as I remember. I never did when I lived there, neither did anyone I know.

 

[wkndwrnch]

Ok," IF" I decided to create a paper trail to not own large capacity weapons anymore. Would taking a loss at a gun store start to create that paper trail?

 

[PaLady]

No one can seize weapons by executive order. It has to go before the SCOTUS, as a Constitutional right. That being said, we've seen first hand how much the SCOTUS can be trusted these days, so who knows.

 

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

scotus generally won't actually act until it has happened and is contested.

Mass Non compliance is already happening in some states that have been pushed to the edge CA thinks it has only registered 5% of "assault weapons" same for NY.

about 85% of ILL counties went second amendment sanctuary status in 2019

the county second amendment sanctuary resolutions are making progress this is a statement by the county board that they do not wish to uphold unconstitutional law not have any plans to fund such invasions of the peoples rights.

it very much comes down to an enforcement issue the Fed doesn't have the manpower to enforce, they intend on relying on the local PD and Sherriff to do their dirty work.

local police choose not to enforce laws every day they work on a budget same as everyone else they put their manpower where it does the best good for the safety of the community.

 

[Danaus29]

I wonder what happened to the records held by gun shops that have gone out of business?

One gun shop owner I know of has changed computer systems 3 times since opening their business. Each time their records somehow got purged by the computer updates, no backwards compatible programs, lost "cloud" host etc.

If Sam's Club can't keep my tire warranty records for 6 months I sure hope my gun shop owners have the same problem.

 

[backwoodsman7]

I wonder what happened to the records held by gun shops that have gone out of business?

They're required to send their records to BATF when their dealer license expires.

One gun shop owner I know of has changed computer systems 3 times since opening their business. Each time their records somehow got purged by the computer updates, no backwards compatible programs, lost "cloud" host etc.

If that's true, he really should be keeping quiet about it. If the wrong bureaucrat hears about it and wants a convenient target, he could have a major problem. Bureaucrats with more power than honesty can do an incredible amount of damage to innocent people.

 

[Danaus29]

And yet the agencies that are supposed to report banned people to the feds just don't report and never face penalties. And they wonder why the system is broken and the citizens are up in arms about requiring background checks on private sales. I was just reading about Ohio courts and their backlog of case reporting.

 

[todd_xxxx]

A hole in the ground, a good grease, and some large PVC pipe may be a good investment.

 

[Danaus29]

Lay some fence and old aluminum pie plates over the hole and it just might work.

 

[todd_xxxx]

Lay some fence and old aluminum pie plates over the hole and it just might work.

I have 80 acres. I'm counting on them not searching the whole thing.

 

[weaselfire]

There are more guns on my block than are owned by the County sheriff.

Jeff

 

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

they are required to send any records of whats left of the records that are Less than 20 years old to the ATF.

interesting thing is it seems like a lot of coastal dealers keep their cardboard boxes full of records on the bottom shelf.

after every hurricane many boxes of wet and molding records are turned over to the ATF freeing the dealers of the liability of keeping them.

 

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

And yet the agencies that are supposed to report banned people to the feds just don't report and never face penalties. And they wonder why the system is broken and the citizens are up in arms about requiring background checks on private sales. I was just reading about Ohio courts and their backlog of case reporting.

this is a repeated problem

anything you the government says they can do for your oh trust us we have your back , their promises are garbage. they way over sell and under deliver , a lot of the people who purchased guns then went on to kill numerous people should have been prohibited yet due to complacency in reporting were given a green light on their purchase.

what good is your list if it only abuses the law abiding and does nothing to prevent the criminal.

 

[Hiro]

what good is your list if it only abuses the law abiding and does nothing to prevent the criminal.

Perhaps it is intentional incompetence for a purpose.

 

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

Perhaps it is intentional incompetence for a purpose.

you certainly wonder , fail , ask for more liberties , more info a more extensive process and most importantly MORE POWER , if you only have these things your agency can make all safe. people buy the lie and it perpetuates.

governments answer is always Bigger government

 

[bamabear44]

Don't buy at a pawn, gun shop, buy from other people, our local flea market has guys that sell guns there all the time...