Ok, on the 16th I had a SF doe kindle almost 4 days late by my calendar. 8 kits, 5 dead and one dead soon after. The two that lived came out of their nest box today-total sumo wrestler kits. HOLY buckets, they are fat and sassy. The doe who kindled with her first litter on the 14th had 8 healthy kits and then today NINE kits came out of THEIR nest box-oops, missed one. Anyhow, on November 4th, I had a doe due to kindle and she did, right on time. I only put her in with the buck ONE time-didn't go back for a second date an hour later. She had lost her litter last month and I rebred her 3 days later. Anyhow, she had one dead BIG kit on the wire, and then when I reached into the nest box to feel, there were two TEENY weird little kits with no color-dead, and then what felt like 4 kits that were pretty cold. I pulled the two dead mini kits, and pulled her fur pile over the live ones, and came back and checked an hour later and they were warmer. She is taking care of them now, but the two teeny weird ones were just that-weird. There was also a bit of after birth I think. It looked like a button of tissue. Might I have interrupted her mid-kindle? She looked like she was lounging. I know for SURE that I didn't try to rebreed at ALL after October 4th. I just cannot figure out what those little teeny kits were all about, unless they were identical twins or something? Anyhow, today my 4th doe kindled and has 8 live WARM kits in the nest box. Yeah team, at least all is well there. I am glad they are finally producing...I couldn't get anyone bred during the summer and it doesn't even get hot here!