This is one of the down sides to the breed not being AKC registered - less venues where they are eligible to be shown. UKC has the 'rare breed classes' for obedience, but only if the animal is spayed/neutered, so that doesn't help a bit if your goal is to prove breeding stock.Corgitails said:One of the biggies on the Shilohs is that they aren't proven in any venues at all. No conformation titles, no obedience titles, no nothing to prove the 'better temperament' or anything than GSDs- just a lot of hype.
True about NADAC & USDAA. You mentioned conformation and obedience though, not agility. I think there's a new obedience venue or two since I was involved with it, that does allow any dog. APDT has rally for everyone. (I think) I was referring more to a conversation with a specific person (whose has females) that took place about 8 years ago. From her webiste, it does seem like she eventually found places to earn titles.Corgitails said:Actually, there's quite a few venues they can show in, and if people were serious, they could at least save semen, neuter the boys, and show them in ASCA, UKC, etc. And I'm fairly sure NADAC and USDAA don't have s/n requirements.
The English Bulldog is a classic example of this. The Border Collie people and the Jack Russell Terrier people both fought (unsuccessfully) to keep their breed OUT of the AKC, as they fear it will ruin the breed. I believe their fears are well founded. American show-bred German Shepherds are a completely different animal than the European GSD, and it saddens me greatly to see a knock-kneed, hock-walking, needle-nosed bag of nerves they call a "German Shepherd" slinking through an AKC show looking like its eyes are going to pop out of its head.Pops2 said:plain and simple AKC registration has not helped the working ability of any breed as a whole, EVER and has been detrimental to most because the AKC is most strongly oriented to conformation showing. that field is dominated by people who don't work and don't know what it takes for a dog to do the job it is bred for. further they usually affiliate w/breed clubs that think the same. then they usually change the personality of the breeds to make it more amenable to the show circuit and lose the working personality in the process. then they usually change the standard to glom onto a particular look that usually ruins the health of the breed.
Although the German system may be somewhat superior to the AKC world, the GSD show people there have still managed to create their own mutant "highline" dog with a back so roached that it looks like the dog's rear is trying to outrun its front. The protection tests at the breed shows have been softened so much that they really don't tell you much about the dog's working ability(except how bad the ones who fail are). Even in Germany, if you want a real working dog, you stay away from show lines.Wolf Flower said:In Germany, German Shepherds are still required to pass a temperament test and working trial as well conformation in order to receive the show rating that would allow them to be bred. It's not a perfect system, but it is still worlds better than what we have with AKC.
Oh, I know that. But it is a step up compared to what we have in AKC to prove working temperament, which is absolutely nothing (unless you count the disqualification if the dog bites the judge). It could be really hard to watch American champions attempt a courage test, even as soft as it is... I envision dogs tripping over themselves to get out of the ring, screaming with terror and leaving a trail of urine as they go.MARYDVM said:Although the German system may be somewhat superior to the AKC world, the GSD show people there have still managed to create their own mutant "highline" dog with a back so roached that it looks like the dog's rear is trying to outrun its front. The protection tests at the breed shows have been softened so much that they really don't tell you much about the dog's working ability(except how bad the ones who fail are). Even in Germany, if you want a real working dog, you stay away from show lines.