oops She was lethargic (not was not)
Second *ill*? rabbit??
OK you all know I lost a doe last Sunday about 10days after kindling.
She was not lethargic, then stopped eating, then stopped feeding her kits and we lost 5 of 10.
OK so different doe. Was bred and I was expecting kits either this past Wed/Thur or the previous. The previous week she was alert & active and when given hay started nesting... she did this 3-4 days... but never pulled fur, then started throwing hay out of her cage. But she was spending lots of time in the nest box....
2 days ago I noticed she was not finishing her pellets, but she gnawed on an alfalfa cube and took a carrot bit. Yesterday, I cleaned her feeder and gave her all fresh. And she appeared to have not touched it or her alfalfa cube.
I tried to put her back in with the buck yesterday and she peed and growled... never let him mount... so back to her cage....
this AM no sign that she ate....
We have a real cold snap going on here in NE TX... she was in a cage in the middle of a long hoop house with towels up on both sides for drafts...
Sooo concerned obviously about hypocalcemia again... we brought her in. This is a normally feisty... growly.. rabbit.
She is being very sedate and meek..... NOT her!!
We have given her some liquid cmpk 2x now... but not sure she is swallowing.
Unlike Big Momma... Blackie is showing NO signs of pain... no grinding or anything. But we again have lethargy and refusal to eat.
I took her temp and was amazed she did not fuss at all again NOT normal! This is a rabbit we normally *gear up* to handle...
temp was 101.8... so I'd call that normal....
Eyes are alert
coat is glossy
I am greatly concerned. The two affected rabbits were not in nearby cages nor even the same hoop house... the rabbits on both sides of Big Momma are fine & healthy.
Any advice is appreciated.
I have 2 mommas with litters, 3 bucks, 1 juvenile male, 2 juvenile females, 1 doe due this week, and 2 freshly bred that are all doing fine... so feeling very confused.
Both Blackie and Big Momma kindled for me before....
She was not lethargic, then stopped eating, then stopped feeding her kits and we lost 5 of 10.
OK so different doe. Was bred and I was expecting kits either this past Wed/Thur or the previous. The previous week she was alert & active and when given hay started nesting... she did this 3-4 days... but never pulled fur, then started throwing hay out of her cage. But she was spending lots of time in the nest box....
2 days ago I noticed she was not finishing her pellets, but she gnawed on an alfalfa cube and took a carrot bit. Yesterday, I cleaned her feeder and gave her all fresh. And she appeared to have not touched it or her alfalfa cube.
I tried to put her back in with the buck yesterday and she peed and growled... never let him mount... so back to her cage....
this AM no sign that she ate....
We have a real cold snap going on here in NE TX... she was in a cage in the middle of a long hoop house with towels up on both sides for drafts...
Sooo concerned obviously about hypocalcemia again... we brought her in. This is a normally feisty... growly.. rabbit.
She is being very sedate and meek..... NOT her!!
We have given her some liquid cmpk 2x now... but not sure she is swallowing.
Unlike Big Momma... Blackie is showing NO signs of pain... no grinding or anything. But we again have lethargy and refusal to eat.
I took her temp and was amazed she did not fuss at all again NOT normal! This is a rabbit we normally *gear up* to handle...
temp was 101.8... so I'd call that normal....
Eyes are alert
coat is glossy
I am greatly concerned. The two affected rabbits were not in nearby cages nor even the same hoop house... the rabbits on both sides of Big Momma are fine & healthy.
Any advice is appreciated.
I have 2 mommas with litters, 3 bucks, 1 juvenile male, 2 juvenile females, 1 doe due this week, and 2 freshly bred that are all doing fine... so feeling very confused.
Both Blackie and Big Momma kindled for me before....
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Sounds like the same problem, doesn't it? I wonder if she would take some of the berry flavoured TUMS. Supposed to be an easy way to get calcium into a rabbit since they like the flavour. Or can you tube the CMPX into her? I'm not even sure what that is, but am assuming it is calcium supplement of some kind.
A bit of blackstrap molasses in her water or even mixed into some milk might help. Blackstrap is supposed to have a lot of calcium in it and it would also be an energy boost. My rabbits love the flavour.
I'm just spinning out ideas as they occur to me, Lynn... so you'll have to use your discretion before applying any of them. Just the things I would probably try in your place.
A bit of blackstrap molasses in her water or even mixed into some milk might help. Blackstrap is supposed to have a lot of calcium in it and it would also be an energy boost. My rabbits love the flavour.
I'm just spinning out ideas as they occur to me, Lynn... so you'll have to use your discretion before applying any of them. Just the things I would probably try in your place.
I appreciate it... I'll try some warm molasses water or milk...
I was syringing in the liquid calcium... but my dd did not think she was swallowing...
I should have said... I did offer berry chewable calcium tabs yesterday and she did not touch it...
Just double checked everyone else and all seem fine.
This is making me nutty... and concerned...
I was syringing in the liquid calcium... but my dd did not think she was swallowing...
I should have said... I did offer berry chewable calcium tabs yesterday and she did not touch it...
Just double checked everyone else and all seem fine.
This is making me nutty... and concerned...
Ok she took 8-10cc of warm molasses water...
next batch I'll mix molasses, cmpk, & warm water...
next batch I'll mix molasses, cmpk, & warm water...
Sneaky! I like that...Ok she took 8-10cc of warm molasses water...
next batch I'll mix molasses, cmpk, & warm water...
Sure do hope it helps!
:lol I am a mom of 10 and have goats... sneaky is a requirement!
She swallowed about 6-8cc of that mix...
She swallowed about 6-8cc of that mix...
Well, at least she is getting something down her... maybe the calcium and energy boost will be enough to kick-start her. Fingers crossed... toes too!
Are you on a watering system or using bottles? I was going to say check to be sure her bottle is working.
What are you feeding BTW? A friend of mine just lost 8 does to bad feed, I'm guessing the stress of breeding and being pregnant makes them more susectable to variances in the feed?
What are you feeding BTW? A friend of mine just lost 8 does to bad feed, I'm guessing the stress of breeding and being pregnant makes them more susectable to variances in the feed?
Well I got more into her and she has passed normal pellets... still no sign she is eating, but she must have....
was a bit fiestier with me... she'll stay inside tonight still...
I feed Purina Rabbit Chow Complete 16% protein, grass hay, (nursing does also get a pit of boss & calf manna), plus some greens daily and a bit of carrot....
I had tried at one point (a few months ago) to switch from pellets to whole oats, calf manna, and alfalfa pellets but they would not touch the alfalfa pellets... Monday I added alfalfa cubes.
The only feed difference from where they came from is they also got bread there...
was a bit fiestier with me... she'll stay inside tonight still...
I feed Purina Rabbit Chow Complete 16% protein, grass hay, (nursing does also get a pit of boss & calf manna), plus some greens daily and a bit of carrot....
I had tried at one point (a few months ago) to switch from pellets to whole oats, calf manna, and alfalfa pellets but they would not touch the alfalfa pellets... Monday I added alfalfa cubes.
The only feed difference from where they came from is they also got bread there...
Oh yes water bottles... and yep both of theirs were working fine... I checked.
I'd try giving her a crock as well as a bottle. Less effort required on her part and maybe she will take more fluids on her own that way. Although I suppose it could lead to problems getting her to use the bottle again later...
How is she doing this morning, Lynn?
How is she doing this morning, Lynn?
I did switch to a crock yesterday because as little as she seemed to be moving I wanted her food & water right there...
She is the same today....
She MUST be eating as she IS passing pellets, but she is not eating or drinking enough to *notice* if you know what I mean... she has maybe a 1/3 c pellets since yesterday and can't tell any are gone...
no snuffles, no grinding teeth, no tremors.... still looks reasonably alert... but NOT moving around... not noticibly eating or drinking.
She is the same today....
She MUST be eating as she IS passing pellets, but she is not eating or drinking enough to *notice* if you know what I mean... she has maybe a 1/3 c pellets since yesterday and can't tell any are gone...
no snuffles, no grinding teeth, no tremors.... still looks reasonably alert... but NOT moving around... not noticibly eating or drinking.
any chance it could coccidia??? bloat??? Some type of anything that makes her not want to eat??? Just throwing out ideas....
Not a clue... would poops be normal with either of those?
I tried a bit of greens and THAT she scarfed down....
I tried a bit of greens and THAT she scarfed down....
coccidia can act differently depending on who it is striking I've learned.
older rabbits can seem healthy but just stop eating and drinking. getting them going again is VERY tough. Sul-met helps...but you usually have to syringe it in AND force them to move around. Get their systems moving.
young rabbits get the runs and then stop eating. They get the classic bloated belly.
some will get a mucousy poop and show no other signs.
older rabbits can seem healthy but just stop eating and drinking. getting them going again is VERY tough. Sul-met helps...but you usually have to syringe it in AND force them to move around. Get their systems moving.
young rabbits get the runs and then stop eating. They get the classic bloated belly.
some will get a mucousy poop and show no other signs.
Hmm what is the rabbit dose on Sulmet? I have that in my fridge... and Big Momma had spots on her liver...
depends I think on the concentration. mine is a 25% solution for big rabbits I gave 2 cc/ml Everyday for 10 days.
Have you been able to palpate her belly?
Have you thought about pregnancy ketosis? That's what it sounds like to me.
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