The hay gut your calves are carrying makes me think they aren't getting enough protein in their feed. Adding a half to a pound of alfalfa pellets or a flake of alfalfa hay to their diet in addition to the creep pellets could help with that. Little calves need a highly digestible diet because they don't have the rumen capacity to handle what a bigger calf can. The better you do growing them now the better they will do later.The hay is coastal. Il go the 16% creep. Any suggestions on wormer.
Bobby is partially right. The percentages are Crude Protein, the stuff that includes protein nitrogen and non-protein nitrogen (which is urea). I hope you're not feeding any feed with NPN in them, because calves at this age cannot and should not have any urea simply because they are incapable of digesting it. They must have the protein nitrogen that comes in alfalfa, soybean meal, canola meal, etc.My son in law brought me some creep that was pretty much powdered. I feed them that first and then put them on the small pelleted creep and calf starter. Now they get sweet feed. I noticed they have 12% and 16% what does the percentage mean.
I have raised 325 + bottle calves in the last 4 years with very good results, out of over 1and some yearly we average only 4 to 7 not to make it. I agree with the livestock sales some come in and not even have been with the mother. We don't buy from sales unless we know the farm they came from. Most of our calves come from 3 different farmers 2 are organic and they do very well they leave them with there mother 4 to 3 days and if they don't do well the refund the cost or another calf. I don't know where you are but here in Virginia in the valley you are lucky to get a calf under $100.00 to $i75.00 a better deal if you work with a farmer and take them year round.When I visit the sale barn I notice some bull calves sell for $10 while others sell for $60. What a big difference and in my opinion the $10 calves are high risk...Just my opinion.
Around here it is rare to sell a beef calf days after birth. Beef cows' job is to give birth to a healthy calf and feed it. Dairy cows' job is to make milk to sell. The calf is important, but secondary. Many dairy farmers get rid of their unwanted calves right away. No reason to market a beef calf early, unless the cow died giving birth.This is all great information, something I will come back to many times I am sure. Can you guys tell me...do the same buyers guidelines apply to beef calves? I mean, shots, the MR routine, etc? Is there anything I would look for or do differently if I am buying a Brangus calf instead of a Jersey or similar?
Thanks in advance for any answers. I am not buying right now, but may someday...
Ok, that is good to know. I prefer not to buy beef calves at all, but to breed my own, but if I find no open heifers or cows at auction that are a good buy, I thought to possibly pick up young calves and raise them to sell when they are older and larger. The cattle prices here are very high right now, I have scoured ads in my area for a week, read all sale sights, etc, and I want to learn everything I can before going to a sale.Around here it is rare to sell a beef calf days after birth. Beef cows' job is to give birth to a healthy calf and feed it. Dairy cows' job is to make milk to sell. The calf is important, but secondary. Many dairy farmers get rid of their unwanted calves right away. No reason to market a beef calf early, unless the cow died giving birth.
Ok, that is good to know. I prefer not to buy beef calves at all, but to breed my own, but if I find no open heifers or cows at auction that are a good buy, I thought to possibly pick up young calves and raise them to sell when they are older and larger. The cattle prices here are very high right now, I have scoured ads in my area for a week, read all sale sights, etc, and I want to learn everything I can before going to a sale.
Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
If they pick up something at sale barn and it shows up on day 3 or day 10 what do you give them?:cow:myersfarmI only raise dairy heifers any dairy breed 7 days old or less last year I think it was 93 calfs I sold 60 at 400 lbs. and still have 33 left will sell in June
stress is the reason I give MR to the calfs the first few feedings the less change I can do the better I am sure most dairys feed calves MR or since most of my calves I buy are holstiens ...holstien milk ..... thats a big jump from MR or Holstien milk to jersey milk ......so I try to give them something they are use to.. then after they settle in they can handle the jersey milk
I also seem to be able count the days after I get them home on day 3 or day 10 you really need to spend some time with the calfs thats when every thing shows up that they might have picked up at the sale barn
More information would be good....I am a begiinner in cattle.... pigs I dont have a problem. but cattle I need some one with plenty of experience that they are willing to share to get me up and running.Ok here is what I do
I buy everything other people do not buy and I also buy everything you would buy
I buy 15 to 30 at a time ....but this is my 6 year doing this
A sale barn calf and a home bught calf are two totally different animals treated the same way the sale barn will die with a sale barn calf you have hours not days as a farm raised calf you have
I put 5 calves in a pen thats 5 calfs that usually cost me and average of $150 if i raise 3 of the 5 I make lots of money if get lucky and raise 4 of 5 then i really make a lot of money on that pen....I also buy the highest calfs at the sale barn those sell for a average of $400 put them in pen of 5 if I raise all 5 then I really make money on that pen ...
my usual average on the price of calves is $260 a calf thats the price I have in the LIVE CAlFS thats like buying 10 for $250 thats $2500 if I lost 2 then the average is $312
the best time to buy calfs is from October to January during the holidays when nobody wants to feed calfs on Christmas day Thanksgiving or New Years day
I give a shot of 1 cc batamine and 2 cc of LA200 when I put them in my trailer..as most time they have a 6 hour trip before they get to my house
I feed colostrum the first meal home then i feed Milk Replacer for the first 3 days then go to my Jersey Milk gradually
What you have to learn is what you have when you unload form the trailer
who needs what Calfs are like kids they can not tell you only show you they feel bad....I set out there every day for a hour watching the calfs see who is the last to the milk bar if the calfs swap on being last they get a shot
never believe that they will get better believe they will die in the night as they will
the way the coat on a calf lays tells me a lot about whats going on with the calf
A calf that cleans n it own coat does not need anything one that does not will die very fast
A calf when it sucks holds it's head high will be sick soon
A calf that does not meet you at the gate will be sick soon
A calf will die before you can go buy and get back with what you need so have it on hand now.
just my 2 cents
I have 31 on milk right now next week will be down to 20 on milk and be buying more