we had a thread about a month ago on rooting tomato suckers as a method to get a jump on next years plants/varieties by over wintering the rooted suckers and then taking starts off them for spring planting..well the question I advanced at that time was about the determinate as opposed to the indeterminate reaction growth wise to this method. I have gotten very busy around here and to avoid a threatened early frost I took a bunch of suckers indoors nearly a month ago and got as far as sticking them in glasses of water in a north facing window. The results are interesting to say the least. All the indeterminate varieties are rooting without rotting and the water is clear, the submerged stems are green(no slime) and the roots very long(begining to branch) and white. In the determinate variety,started at the same time,root growth is just starting and it was apparent that they may rot before root. On the submerged stem portions there are dark brown sunken areas and the water is beginning to cloud..all samples were treated the same(no submerged leaves,same type of glass,same water source) Noteing this slowness to root I advise anyone rooting in moist media as opposed to water to give more time in high humidity for root formation.(I gave my sopping wet potting mix in a twist tied plastic bag no open/no water for 3 weeks method.) I have excellent suckers in the garden now(no frost but expected this week); I am going to try the "baggie" method and see if I get determinate root formation earlier. How about an update from the rest of you that said you were going to try to overwinter your suckers...?????