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Researching, State by state, Tax and Zoning laws

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Hi All,
Starting the first step in locating the homestead site... Researching state (and county) TAX, and Zoning laws.

My preferrence would likely be to buy property (rural homestead, offgrid asap) in Idaho, Montana (west side), Wyoming, Utah, or Colorado.
Of course I am open to considering other Western states should the facts prove overwelming in their favor for relocation.

Also, I would not be opposed to North East Washington state, or Eastern Oregon should the numbers and restrictions prove minimal...

Does anyone know of a site, or best method of gathering said info for comparison sake???

***Ideally we would prefer a lower tax burden, No building code (or the least intrusive) area for the homestead***, and this is why I am posting this question.

Very rural would be best as I work from home and do not need a city or town near by, and would prefer to be somewhat remote.

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated in helping with this research.
Thanks.
Tony
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This will help you compare tax rates for towns all over. I dont know a place for zoning though.

http://www.bestplaces.net/
Oregon has state-wide building codes, and they are enforced. In the rural areas (such as here in Klamath County) they are pretty easy to work with, and the permits aren't onerously expensive as they can be in the western part of the state. Property taxes are high, IMO, as there's no state sales tax (there is an income tax, though). Not as high as some New England states, but a lot higher than many places. Also, the liberal fools in the urban areas outnumber the conservatives in the rural areas, so they regularly out-vote us. As a result, our property taxes will be increasing several percent a year for some time to come to pay for programs of dubious, if any, value. Gee, thanks, liberals.

Kathleen
The west side of Montana is MUCH more expensive to live in then the eastern part. Property taxes out there will kill you off. Property prices aren't much better. There's also a few more restrictions on some places out there. The further east you go, the more relaxed it gets. Wyoming is great tax wise, no income tax and property taxes aren't bad, especially after Oregon. Building codes vary from area to area. Again, the west side will be more expensive and more restrictive than the east side. However, the east side of both states is also drier. Homesteading can be done, but REALLY research your location in regards to water - both availability and water rights.
Then you have to go township by township for even more restrictions and town by town for even more tax burden..........

Pick a spot and call a realtor, they can tell you what you need to know. If they can't, find a different one in the area.
I was in a hurry when I posted earlier (about to run late for work!), and didn't mention Alaska. You don't have that state on your list, but considering your criteria, you might want to consider it. There are still some parts of Alaska, mostly outside of organized boroughs (Alaska has boroughs rather than counties), where there are no building codes (except that septic tanks need to be permitted), no property taxes, and land isn't too bad for price. If interested, say so, and I'll add more information.

Kathleen
I know that I did not include Alaska, but I would be willing to look at South East Alaska.
I have not yet set foot anywhere in Alaska, but I will check it out before laying money down anywhere else.

I have had several friends over the years who have lived in various areas tell me much about it, and from what I have heard and read... South East "Might" work.

My biggest concern would be the travel/distance issue.
Now if we were really remote in say the upper panhandle of Idaho, and wanted (or had to) to say drive to a medium size city for....shopping, dinner out, a larger hospital, whatever...
Well, a 2 or 3 hour drive (or less) would probably get us there should the need arrise.

Now assume the homestead is in S.E. Alaska...
I am going to need a float plane and hope for good weather.
Could we manage? Sure, as others before us have and are doing, so could we, but it will be a little harder sell for the family I imagine.

Of course on the plus side, hopefully there will be less riff-raff, as the population density is much lower.

Of course I am just starting the paper/internet research part of this plan, so nothing is written in stone as of yet.

If Western Montana proves to be too cost prohibitive, then Montana will probabaly get totally scratched as the Eastern side is too cold.
I know that many Hollywood types, and associated ilk have been buying up large parcels for years...and turning their new towns into smaller versions of the sewers they left, as in Kalifornia.

Can you blame them? If you were raised as a cannibal, and killing and eating your villages enemies was the norm, how much luck do you suppose that anyone would have changing your lifelong eating habits...?

Clearly a whole different post, but suffice it to say that I will simply be looking to avoid any such areas.

And this potential conflict of interest brings me to mention something as a "what if".

There is a couple living on Denman Island off of Vancouver Island BC (if I remember correctly) that pretty much have (now after much work) created a sustainable site that I would be proud to own.
Their site is Rawgainique.com and I mention this because their property was an old gravel pit when they bought it (cheap) and on the coast, and pretty remote with no utilities etc...

Not the sort of place most people would look for...
But to see what they have turned it into with some very creative ideas...wow!
And it seems pretty remote and quiet and peacefull etc.

Now I am not really looking to move to Canada, but I bring this up for a point.
I am not sure about the tax or zoning on Vancouver Island where Rawganique.com is, but Canada is not on the list anyway.
However, I mentioned them because the location is good as in remote, and the land was (they said) cheap, and they have a great year round growing climate with gardens and greenhouses, and plenty of good clean water.
AND a bonus: being on or close to salt water means food from the sea, and boating and those good things that being near the sea bring.

Did I say S.E. Alaska was to be included, yeah well double that if I could find a place similar to the cheap old gravel pit from Rawgainique with cheap taxes, no building permits and remote.

Of course tax and zoning issues are what I asked about, but also important (to me) is finding someplace where we are "Less" likely to be overrun by cannibals from Kalifornia or any major urban sprawl in my lifetime.

A lofty goal, to be sure, but hey I have to try.

Thanks for the response so far.
And just to make certain I touch on all the questions:
Alaska, Yes.
Septic tanks, No won't be using one.
Oregon, because of the liberal majority in the greater Portland area... probably not going to make the short list.
Wyoming, pretty much everything I have seen or heard about it looks promising.
Building permits, to be avoided if at all possible. Would actually prefer that the tax assesor knew nothing about nothing.
Just a piece of property that even a fly over would not likely reveal any upgrades. Maybe permit a barn or outbuilding of some kind.
Less is more. The less the "Man" knows, the better I like it.

Tony
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I had both of those requirements and I ended up in Kansas.


Tax on 5 acres with a house ,mobile home and giant round top is 100 bucks a year.........also they laughed at me when I asked about a building permit.


It works for me.......

I also had gun laws as a requirement and it met those too.
Here in Granite County Montana we have no building codes. All of Montana has no sales tax. Another good tax thing Montana has is if your vehicles is old enough, 7 years (IIRC) you can buy permanent plates and don't have to ever buy license tags again. I hope this helps.
Now assume the homestead is in S.E. Alaska...
I am going to need a float plane and hope for good weather.
Could we manage? Sure, as others before us have and are doing, so could we, but it will be a little harder sell for the family I imagine

Silly goose, no you don't. But it's a good idea to at least have a skiff. If you're serious and want to know more about living in S.E. Alaska let me know, in the meantime, google Wrangell. No, it's not easy 'til you get the hang of things, but what is. The weather can get you if you choose to let it but the peace and freedom's hard to beat. Few people in a big land means there's always someone to count on 'long as you carry your own weight.
Call me a wimp but I'd rather deal with 30 below and dry weather than the constant cloudiness and rain of SE Alaska :nana: I almost made the plunge, put a deposit on some land near Manley Hot Springs in the interior. But I felt that it wasn't quite the right time and backed out. Even though there are no property taxes (in unorganized Boroughs) the high cost of living definitely makes up for it. While land can be bought reasonably cheap all the cheap land is usually hard to access. Usually the prices are 500 bucks an acre on up. It's cheap but then I can get land for 500 bucks an acre down in the continetal US (even in my home-state) that is easily accessed and has very low cost of living.
I had both of those requirements and I ended up in Kansas.


Tax on 5 acres with a house ,mobile home and giant round top is 100 bucks a year.........also they laughed at me when I asked about a building permit.
County by county on zoning/building codes in Kansas. I have friend in KS living in east end KS about half way up. She bought 80A long before I knew her, no building codes, wide open. Maybe 5 years ago, bingo, zoning and building codes and strictly enforced almost over night. She'd procrastinated too long. So just because its old way of doing things when you buy, doesnt mean its going to be that way when you want to build. Areas without zoning and building codes enforced is shinking fast. Not long until you will have to find a 3rd world country if you want freedom to do what you want on your own land out in rural areas. And it doesnt help that confinement feed operations and gravel pits and such nuisance buisinesses try to locate to these remaining free areas to avoid jumping through hoops and this puts pressure on local officials to zone just to be able to protect existing residents.
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Here in Granite County Montana we have no building codes. All of Montana has no sales tax. Another good tax thing Montana has is if your vehicles is old enough, 7 years (IIRC) you can buy permanent plates and don't have to ever buy license tags again. I hope this helps.
"Permanent" plates for that particular vehicle with that particular VIN number, not ever transferable to another vehicle, or permanent plates for any 7+ year vehicle you ever own in Montana transferable from vehicle to vehicle as they wear out?
If I was going back to SE Alaska, Wrangell or Petersburg is probably where I'd be looking. But ALL of SE Alaska is in one borough or another, so there will probably be some kind of building regulations and property taxes no matter how remote you get. And yes, you'd need a skiff -- a plane might be nice, but it's not necessary.

Kathleen
I would imagine that the state and local zoning laws will change a lot faster than you can do the research.

Good luck anyway.:cool:
What about Maine? Codes are pretty much what you want them to be in the rural areas, and there is a LOT of rural area in Maine. Population is really low, and out of the cities you could have a really nice homestead and not pay anwhere near as much as you would elsewhere. Not to mention a lot of other perks, like a lot of wildlife if you are into hunting, wild maine blueberries (drool!), fiddleheads, and maple trees (syrup!). The weather isn't anywhere near as harsh as Alaska, and you have a decent growing season there. People say taxes are high but from everything I've seen it really doesn't seem high to me at all. Especially property taxes.
"Permanent" plates for that particular vehicle with that particular VIN number, not ever transferable to another vehicle, or permanent plates for any 7+ year vehicle you ever own in Montana transferable from vehicle to vehicle as they wear out?

For that particular vehicle only (cough cough.) They aren't too outrageously priced so I actually have them on all my vehicles (all trailers get them no matter the age.) They charge by GVW so the 1 ton dodge was around $250 and the 1/4 Willy's was around $120. And I never have to down down to the .... ever again.
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