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So much off kilter here. Yes, it is a flu like illness, and yes, we build immunity. Saying it kills mostly elderly is rather insulting as it implies older lives are of no worth. Initially it may have been killing off some age groups at around 8 or 10%. Go far enough back in time to when the bubonic plague went pneumonic. Yes, it was "flu like" and yes, we have developed some genetic immunity along with antibiotics so the plague is now no biggie. Hopefully eventually covid is that much of a "no biggie" also. We are not there yet. One group being hit especially hard is unvaccinated pregnant women. But I guess if the baby's life has no worth, neither does the mama's. Is that really where we are? Do we not remember the refrigerator trucks in NJ, NY, and NO? For all the dead bodies? Do we not remember that just last July and August some of us could not get into a hospital for cancer or heart attacks or strokes because our hospitals were that full of covid patients? Here at least, during delta it was NOT full of oldies but of younger people, usually in their 40's. Yep, they were more likely to survive but some needed lung transplants to do so.

It truly WAS a deadly big deal. That it is less deadly now, and so less of a big deal, due both to natural evolving of the bug and the success of the shots at preventing death is wonderful. Something we should all be on our knees saying a bit of thanks for!
 

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So much off kilter here. Yes, it is a flu like illness, and yes, we build immunity. Saying it kills mostly elderly is rather insulting as it implies older lives are of no worth. Initially it may have been killing off some age groups at around 8 or 10%. Go far enough back in time to when the bubonic plague went pneumonic. Yes, it was "flu like" and yes, we have developed some genetic immunity along with antibiotics so the plague is now no biggie. Hopefully eventually covid is that much of a "no biggie" also. We are not there yet. One group being hit especially hard is unvaccinated pregnant women. But I guess if the baby's life has no worth, neither does the mama's. Is that really where we are? Do we not remember the refrigerator trucks in NJ, NY, and NO? For all the dead bodies? Do we not remember that just last July and August some of us could not get into a hospital for cancer or heart attacks or strokes because our hospitals were that full of covid patients? Here at least, during delta it was NOT full of oldies but of younger people, usually in their 40's. Yep, they were more likely to survive but some needed lung transplants to do so.

It truly WAS a deadly big deal. That it is less deadly now, and so less of a big deal, due both to natural evolving of the bug and the success of the shots at preventing death is wonderful. Something we should all be on our knees saying a bit of thanks for!
Pointing out that Covid kills mostly old folks does not have to imply that that mitigates the importance of it unless you want it to. It’s just an objective fact. The flu also primarily kills the old and immunocompromised.

The point is that those of us were referring to it as a “bad cold” or “bad flu” were, apparently, exactly right all along.

The problem is that many of those of us who entered that position into the debate were chastised, ridiculed and even cancelled.

The result is that we were never allowed to have a full and honest debate about Covid. We weren’t allowed to talk about things like developing natural and herd immunity, which are apparently what we should have been working on all along. We were never allowed to debate the merits of blanket lockdowns vs targeted and voluntary risk-reduction.

Imagine, had the honest and open debate been allowed, if we hadn’t shut down the entire economy for two weeks years; if we had just suggested that the elderly and infirm minimize their exposure until some natural herd immunity could be developed; if we had directed those billions of dollars wasted on an ineffective “vaccine” were instead funneled to people who needed (and elected) to self-isolate for a little while; if we recognized all of our knowledge earned from fights with similar viruses instead of insisting that silliness like cloth masks and surface transmission.

Imagine how much better of a position we’d all be in right now.

it’s easy if you try

….because there were voices suggesting all of those things, but we were shut down. The debate was killed before it could be held. Covid was a thing. It was bad. Our handling of it was ten times worse, and we can only hope there will one day be accountability for it, or we’re doomed to do it all again.
 

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I didn't know the refrigerator trucks in NY and NJ were for bodies. Seemed like they were for show. I remember a guy sending them some navy ships and they turned them away, seems like they had things under control. Except for purposely infecting nursing home patients to boost numbers.

And it looks like the shot has 12% efficacy, so doubt it had much impact.

The only thing that made this bug special was the political environment it was born into.
 

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Pointing out that Covid kills mostly old folks does not have to imply that that mitigates the importance of it unless you want it to. It’s just an objective fact. The flu also primarily kills the old and immunocompromised.

The point is that those of us were referring to it as a “bad cold” or “bad flu” were, apparently, exactly right all along.

The problem is that many of those of us who entered that position into the debate were chastised, ridiculed and even cancelled.

The result is that we were never allowed to have a full and honest debate about Covid. We weren’t allowed to talk about things like developing natural and herd immunity, which are apparently what we should have been working on all along. We were never allowed to debate the merits of blanket lockdowns vs targeted and voluntary risk-reduction.

Imagine, had the honest and open debate been allowed, if we hadn’t shut down the entire economy for two weeks years; if we had just suggested that the elderly and infirm minimize their exposure until some natural herd immunity could be developed; if we had directed those billions of dollars wasted on an ineffective “vaccine” were instead funneled to people who needed (and elected) to self-isolate for a little while; if we recognized all of our knowledge earned from fights with similar viruses instead of insisting that silliness like cloth masks and surface transmission.

Imagine how much better of a position we’d all be in right now.

it’s easy if you try

….because there were voices suggesting all of those things, but we were shut down. The debate was killed before it could be held. Covid was a thing. It was bad. Our handling of it was ten times worse, and we can only hope there will one day be accountability for it, or we’re doomed to do it all again.
I'll add that the other major risk factor is obesity. Getting the overweight to lose a few pounds would have saved lives. But there was no push for that.
 

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I'll add that the other major risk factor is obesity. Getting the overweight to lose a few pounds would have saved lives. But there was no push for that.
There has been a push for that for a few decades; same with smokers.

The Branch Covidians (including the well-known, outspoken ones here) jumped the shark on the Covid misinformation, though. They were willing, and proud of their willingness, to force people to mask up and take the shot, or risk their lives and livelihoods, based on the Gospel of St. Fauci of Deecici.

We warned them that their rabid evangelism for what we saw as obviously untrue would only serve to make things worse, and risk their credibility on any future issues, but they wouldn’t hear it. They were convinced that we were being told the truth, and that any of us that didn’t accept their savior were no different than indiscriminate murderers.
 

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And don't forget those of us who questioned the reasoning behind implementing ONLY the mRNA vaccine and not work on a traditional vaccine. A lot of people got really nasty when asked why there was no traditional vaccine in the works. Would it have been better? Who knows. The people behind the worldwide mRNA experiment were not about to allow anyone to work on a traditional vaccine.
 

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I read a study today, a very short and concise read since it is nothing more than an analysis of existing data of published Covid cases and deaths in 35 European countries during the period of mask mandates, and it is shockingly unshocking.

The data is presented in such a way that it doesn’t require a scientific or even a mathematical mind to see that it indicates that mask mandates did absolutely nothing to stop the spread of Covid or the severity of infections.

In fact, their scientific minds ran the math, and not only found that there was no negative correlation between mask mandates and Covid cases or deaths, but they even found that there was a “moderate positive correlation” between masking and Covid cases and deaths, suggesting that forcibly restricting the respiratory systems of people during a pandemic of a new respiratory virus may have actually caused harm and increased the severe incidence of the virus.

Funny thing, that, given that some of us were saying that masks might do that very thing, and that we were concerned that masks were hindering our breathing and made us feel worse.

Here’s the study, if anyone is interested. It’s all of a 10 minute read given that, again, it’s just an analysis of already published data:


Then, if you’re up for a blast from the past, I highly recommend popping yourself a bowl of popcorn, and taking in these highly entertaining threads featuring our own Branch Covidians and their wacky, fascist hijinks.

Enjoy!

 

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Also, data out of the UK shows there were more excess deaths during the pandemic from other things than there were COVID deaths. These extra deaths were largely due to lockdowns and the inability to get healthcare for other health issues
 

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It wasn’t strictly down politics lines.
Check out some of the threads posted above. It’s mostly as you’d expect, but you might be shocked by a few of the Branch Covidians.
You will have to help me. It seems down the line to me
 

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I read a study today, a very short and concise read since it is nothing more than an analysis of existing data of published Covid cases and deaths in 35 European countries during the period of mask mandates, and it is shockingly unshocking.

The data is presented in such a way that it doesn’t require a scientific or even a mathematical mind to see that it indicates that mask mandates did absolutely nothing to stop the spread of Covid or the severity of infections.

In fact, their scientific minds ran the math, and not only found that there was no negative correlation between mask mandates and Covid cases or deaths, but they even found that there was a “moderate positive correlation” between masking and Covid cases and deaths, suggesting that forcibly restricting the respiratory systems of people during a pandemic of a new respiratory virus may have actually caused harm and increased the severe incidence of the virus.

Funny thing, that, given that some of us were saying that masks might do that very thing, and that we were concerned that masks were hindering our breathing and made us feel worse.

Here’s the study, if anyone is interested. It’s all of a 10 minute read given that, again, it’s just an analysis of already published data:


Then, if you’re up for a blast from the past, I highly recommend popping yourself a bowl of popcorn, and taking in these highly entertaining threads featuring our own Branch Covidians and their wacky, fascist hijinks.

Enjoy!


Huh. I guess Dr. Fauci was right the first time when he told people not to wear masks. Back when he was lying.
 

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So much off kilter here. Yes, it is a flu like illness, and yes, we build immunity. Saying it kills mostly elderly is rather insulting as it implies older lives are of no worth. Initially it may have been killing off some age groups at around 8 or 10%. Go far enough back in time to when the bubonic plague went pneumonic. Yes, it was "flu like" and yes, we have developed some genetic immunity along with antibiotics so the plague is now no biggie. Hopefully eventually covid is that much of a "no biggie" also. We are not there yet. One group being hit especially hard is unvaccinated pregnant women. But I guess if the baby's life has no worth, neither does the mama's. Is that really where we are? Do we not remember the refrigerator trucks in NJ, NY, and NO? For all the dead bodies? Do we not remember that just last July and August some of us could not get into a hospital for cancer or heart attacks or strokes because our hospitals were that full of covid patients? Here at least, during delta it was NOT full of oldies but of younger people, usually in their 40's. Yep, they were more likely to survive but some needed lung transplants to do so.

It truly WAS a deadly big deal. That it is less deadly now, and so less of a big deal, due both to natural evolving of the bug and the success of the shots at preventing death is wonderful. Something we should all be on our knees saying a bit of thanks for!
The reason we could not get into the hospitals were and are due to a management and accounting financial issues. Amazing how many people do not realize that.
 
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