Rabbit meat not kosher

Discussion in 'Rabbits' started by PrettyPaisley, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. PrettyPaisley

    PrettyPaisley Well-Known Member

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    I have a question about this. I'm not Jewish and am no expert on the bible but from what I've been told the New Testement clears up the kosher issue and says all meat is clean. Right?

    I was talking to a friend I'd not seen in a couple of years. I may be picky about how I feed my kids but this lady is *really* picky. She told me that rabbit meat was not kosher (knew this) but that if you study the science behind it rabbits don't have the multiple stomaches other animals have to clean the meat well before it's consumed.

    It makes some sence since a rabbit is just a rodent but I wasn't sure if it if made enought sence not to eat them. I don't have rabbits because I think they are cute or because they smell nice (OMG they are stinky)-but because I want a variety of easy to raise/process/control what they eat animals. But I don't want to be eating unclean meat. (And no, we don't eat a lot of pork because all I really like is bacon and sausage and I don't need to have it around or I'd eat it everyday.)

    Any thoughts on this?
     
  2. jen74145

    jen74145 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes, it's all clean, as I understand it. Also, a rabbit is a lagomorph, not a rodent. :)

    Some people do feel that the original old Testament rules might apply for health reasons, so avoid on that basis.

    *says the vegetarian, lol
     

  3. Shrarvrs88

    Shrarvrs88 Apprentice in Christ

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    Well, a rabbit is not a rodent, it's a lagomorph (sp?) and while I don't know much about "cleanliness" of meat, to me it seems that toxins are stored in fat (I have heard many times that when you lose weight your body releases toxins that have gathered in your fat, so to drink extra water) and since rabbits are very lean, they really don't have much ability to hold on to toxins. Plus, the food they eat (esp if you feed unprosseced rabbit food) is pretty clean food, ie, not like a pig that can be fed all kinds of gross stuff.

    Personally, with the current way our commercial beef is raised, I would be (and am) more comfortable feeding my sons rabbit meat that is free of hormones/unnatural food/various antibiotics than any commercial meat. I DO still buy some beef and pork (yummy!) but feel safer with the meat I can raise at home and control what goes into it.

    Just my feelings.
     
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    ||Downhome|| Born in the wrong Century

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    I say it is clean, if you raise it in a healthy enviroment and watch for health issues.
    any animal can become sick some times it apparent other times you wont know untill you slaughter and butcher. if it appears healthy I would not worry.
     
  5. glazed

    glazed Tough Girl, Be Gentle

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    To answer your specific question about rabbits being clean/unclean ... read Leviticus 11:6.

    :)
     
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    ||Downhome|| Born in the wrong Century

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    mama c must of missed the part about PrettyPaisley eating bacon and sausage,even though not alot. which according to the old teachings is a no no.

    I took it she wanted to know if it was truely a unclean animal rather then the food laws labeling of it. which yes your right according to the laws it is but in practice I say no.
     
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    Niether is the back quarters of a cow ;)
     
  8. glazed

    glazed Tough Girl, Be Gentle

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    :doh: Whoops! Yes I sure did! :doh:

    I read the OP closely this time, and, so, to address the initial question
    about being told the New Testament clears up the clean/unclean laws issue and says all meat is clean ... right?

    I had been told that, too.

    :eek:
     
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    deaconjim Appalachian American Supporter

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    Acts 10:9-16:

     
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    fetch33 Well-Known Member

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    Thank goodness I am not Jewish... I think the dietary laws are rediculous. Not eating the back half of a bull because the law says milk and meat can not mix.... hello... a bull doesn't have milk! Don't think I am picking on any religion... I am Catholic and think not eating meat on Fridays is just as rediculous.
     
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    In Leviticus it says hare (not rabbit, not the same). I have a Tora around here and will go look it up after I feed everyone.

    There was an interesting chapter in The Cambridge World History of Food that said over the years and translations of "the law" only pork and camel were consistently unclean.

    go here http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Wor...=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279886936&sr=8-7

    click on look inside. put rabbit in search then click

    page 379 …Hare Swine Hawk Pelican Chameleon Rabbit Rabbit Vult…

    Some even consider duck unclean since "swan and her kind" are mentioned
     
  12. Macybaby

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    Jesus said that it is not what we put in our mouths that makes us "clean or unclean"

    Jesus did not address the issue of whether certain foods are safe (healthy) to eat. Modern cooking and cleaning methods address a lot of issues that use to be major concerns.

    From a Christian perspective, if you eat raw pork, you are not going to be condemned by God for it, but you may still get trichinosis (though current practices have cut the likely hood of that way down too). If you research, you can find that for a lot of the "unclean" issues mentioned, there were real health safety issues that went with them because of the living conditions of the time.
     
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    Hmmmn...and here I was thinking that the 'food laws' were based on processes and bacterial trends of the period.

    Historically (not necessarily Biblical - but potentially a factor), rabbits were not a food to be eaten in the Summer due to their succeptability to Tularemia (i.e.Rabbit Fever). This also rabbits slaughtered in the Summer would tend to be very lean, the Fall being preferred to slaughter due to their Fall/Winter Weight.

    Sorry if this diverged the topic...I just think in evaluating why the 'Old Testament' had food laws, was for the preservation of society based on the times (i.e. no refrigeration, spread of contamination, limited medical treatment...etc.).

    Paul B.
     
  14. PrettyPaisley

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    No - this is more what I am trying to understand. While I greatly appreciate the bibical teachings, I think that there is some amount of science behind it. I'm not religious but the more time I spend cultivating our food the more I figure The Creator knew what he was doing. ;)

    So my question is more about the science behind it Old Testament teachings. Like with raw milk, I understand why it's important the cow consume very little to no grain-or why grass is so good from them. I don't feed the rabbits grass (they are raised on soy free Countryside pellets and alfalfa grass) and like you mentioned, worry about the literal lack of cleanliness of the meat for scientific reasons.

    It's the religious aspect that made me even question the idea of eating the meat at all. Maybe it's something that can't be separated?

    Thanks for all the input!
     
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    I used to work in a Kosher Nursing Home. Some of our residents were very learned and respected members of the faith. There were often Rabbis and Rabbinical students in our facility visiting residents and holding discussion groups. I made it a point to listen in so I would be better informed. We discussed Kosher laws and practices often. Kosher law is not just based on biblical info. Mores and habits of the time also helped mold the laws as we know them. Pork was the typical pagan ritual meat, and that was one of the main reasons it was eliminated. When the kosher laws were being formed, there was a big debate over whether poultry should be parve like fish. The supporters of making it a meat item obviously won. When the rabbi was discussing this with our group, one of my residents said: "Great, so a bunch of old rabbis are the ones who made it impossible for me to enjoy Chicken Parmesian!"
     
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    I agree with Dry Bridge, I always thought that it was because way back when, some foods just weren't very safe. As he pointed out, to this day there are seasons that you still really don't want to eat a wild rabbit.

    And pigs, besides the trichinosis, through most of history pigs were free range and in lots of places, by necessity, they were a little ... umm... casual... how they buried people.
    Which is part of the reason that some cultures went all out with burial and there have always been peoples who regard pigs as unclean.

    But I don't think most of this is a problem with domestic animals.
     
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    While the OT dietary laws certainly made some sense from a sanitation standpoint, there were some that were strictly ceremonial in nature and were in no way related to food safety. This would indicate that the OT laws had a spiritual context that was of greater importance than simple food hygiene.
     
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    For the true Old Testment list read all of Leviticus 11. Coney is rabbit which is unclean. Mice are also listed as unclean. Catfish, sharks, shrimp, and lobster are called unclean.
     
  19. WildernesFamily

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    I looked into this too before we started raising meat rabbits. While I don't believe we live under the old law, I did want to know WHY rabbit was considered unclean.

    We eat pork, but cook it well. I think some (most?) of the foods prohibited in the Bible were to protect people from sickness (improperly cooked pork can make you very sick, etc.)

    After researching it, it is my personal opinion that rabbit was forbidden because rabbits eat their own (night) poop, called cecotropes. The cecotropes are essential to their well being.

    I looked at that, and decided that even if rabbits eat their own poop, their meat is still decidedly healthier than any meat you can buy at the store... especially compared to chicken.

    JMHO.
    :shrug:
     
  20. CrashTestRanch

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    Could be that the catfish, sharks, shrimp, and lobster are scavengers?!?!