[Tom Horn]

So Mr. Horn, did you learn anything about the Councils Of Nicaea, and all of the books that were removed from the bible? Or did you just close your account to delete all the nonsense you wrote, and then start a new account without all the nonsense, so you can start your odd tactics here all over again? It's okay to admit to being wrong if you are and move on you know. Even better is learning something from it too.

By the by.

Is knowledge of this supposed to frighten me and/or shatter my beliefs into a million fragments?

What Was the Council of Nicaea?

In 325 AD, Emperor Constantine invited every bishop in the church to gather in Nicaea and formally establish Christian doctrine. The goal was to unite the increasingly divided church with a set of beliefs its leaders agreed on and would hold each other accountable to.

This meeting, known as the First Council of Nicaea, was specifically called to make a decision about Arianism—the belief that God created Jesus, and that Jesus was not eternal or one with God. For the first time, leaders from every corner of the church would formally declare who Jesus was in relation to God.

Arianism was growing in popularity, even among church leaders, and those who opposed it believed salvation was at stake—if Christians were wrong about who Christ was, did they really even believe in him?

Emperor Licinius (who was emperor until 324 AD) thought the dispute was meaningless. But by 325 AD, these two competing ideas of who Jesus was were threatening to tear the church—and by extension, the newly Christianized Roman empire—in two.

Constantine wasn’t necessarily interested in the theological outcome, so long as it put an end to the division. So he called together the church’s first ecumenical council—a gathering of leaders from the global church.

Some have argued that the First Council of Nicaea invented the Trinity, and that its statement of faith didn’t truly reflect the beliefs of the church. Every bishop was invited, but only a fraction (traditionally 318) of them showed up at the council. So how could the council’s decisions really represent the entire church, especially at a time when the church was so divided? And since council members had to sign the statement of faith or face excommunication, were they really in agreement, or simply saving their skin?

Not to mention, the church continued to debate (and even overturn) the council’s decision in the centuries that followed.

The First Council of Nicaea played a pivotal role in the early church, and directly impacted the doctrine Christian churches uphold today. The council produced the Nicene Creed, which many churches around the world still use as their statement of faith.

But what exactly was decided at this council, and who decided it?

Here’s what we know about the Council of Nicaea.

Link To Article

 

[Alice In TX/MO]

wr, my comment wasn't directed at you. Sorry if it came across like that.

 

[Tom Horn]

I promise next time I will use another term but conducting bible studies class in GC is still against the rules.

I and my beliefs are inseparable, that is why I quote the Bible in attempting to make responsive points, not in an effort to conduct a Bible study.

I have irrevocably learned to not broach subjects on HT to which there is so much biased hostility towards.

Let them eat pablum for that is what the people crave.

 

[wr]

I have learned to not broach subjects to which there is so much biased hostility towards.

Let them eat Pablum for that is what the people crave.

Or just follow the rules of the privately owned forum you joined and post in the appropriate forum.

You and I had this same discussion several months ago and Admin and mods are still not interested in changing the rules.

It was a nice attempt to blame mods though.

 

[Tom Horn]

Or just follow the rules of the privately owned forum you joined and post in the appropriate forum.

You and I had this same discussion several months ago and Admin and mods are still not interested in changing the rules.

It was a nice attempt to blame mods though.

As I learn, I adjust and follow the rules.

Always have, always will.

At times, however, it does appear that the goalposts get moved.

 

[wr]

Not on this time. The rule has been in place for well over a decade and I checked my messages and you and I had a similar discussion privately a while ago.

 

[CC Pereira]

The moderators pulled down everything that I put up.

I have no control over them.

I also stand by my biblical convictions just the same as before.

1. Your thread My View On Transgender People Comes From The Bible. I Should Not Be Removed From My Post.was moved to a different forum.
   3 h ago
2. G
   Your thread Transgender Lobby Has Corrupted Daily Journalistic Ethicswas moved to a different forum.
   3 h ago
3. G
   Your thread Are There Warnings For LGBTQ Content In Children’s Shows? Sen. Mike Lee Wants Themwas moved to a different forum.
   3 h ago
4. G
   Your thread The Coming Online Fight Over Abortion Will Be Brutalwas moved to a different forum.
   3 h ago
5. G
   Your thread Throwing Out The Baby With The Bathwater? was moved to a different forum.

None of these are my threads ... they must be yours.

 

[CC Pereira]

By the by.

Is knowledge of this supposed to frighten me and/or shatter my beliefs into a million fragments?

No Tom. My intention is not to frighten anyone, or to shatter your beliefs, or to make fun of your religious beliefs, or to make you lose your faith. Not at all. I just think that before one tries to preach their beliefs to others, or to convince others to believe as they do, they should:

1. know and understand what they are talking about,
2. be able to back up their beliefs with logical conclusions,
3. be able and willing to answer questions logically, and
4. be willing to change any belief that is proven wrong.

Also, there is a proper time and place for religious discussion ... which is not anywhere and everywhere.

 

[Tom Horn]

No Tom. My intention is not to frighten anyone, or to shatter your beliefs, or to make fun of your religious beliefs, or to make you lose your faith. Not at all. I just think that before one tries to preach their beliefs to others, or to convince others to believe as they do, they should:

1. know and understand what they are talking about,
2. be able to back up their beliefs with logical conclusions,
3. be able and willing to answer questions logically, and
4. be willing to change any belief that is proven wrong.

Also, there is a proper time and place for religious discussion ... which is not anywhere and everywhere.

Perhaps it might help you to realize that I share what I believe in the OP's that I start.

While what I believe is closely bound up in the Bible, I do not start an OP by quoting it.

When I make a point/counterpoint, I have been known to use the Bible to illustrate it.

No Bible study intended.

No attempts to convert either.

I couldn't care less if you listen to or reject what I have to say about the things that are important to me, and I hold to be true.

Because I learned this about people, long ago.

 

[Alice In TX/MO]

Wrong place.

 

[Tom Horn]

The moderators pulled down everything that I put up.

I have no control over them.

I also stand by my biblical convictions just the same as before.

1. Your thread My View On Transgender People Comes From The Bible. I Should Not Be Removed From My Post.was moved to a different forum.
   3 h ago
2. G
   Your thread Transgender Lobby Has Corrupted Daily Journalistic Ethicswas moved to a different forum.
   3 h ago
3. G
   Your thread Are There Warnings For LGBTQ Content In Children’s Shows? Sen. Mike Lee Wants Themwas moved to a different forum.
   3 h ago
4. G
   Your thread The Coming Online Fight Over Abortion Will Be Brutalwas moved to a different forum.
   3 h ago
5. G
   Your thread Throwing Out The Baby With The Bathwater? was moved to a different forum.

None of these are my threads ... they must be yours.

Are you so obtuse as to truly presume that I was attempting to pass off the above "contraband" threads as yours?

 

[Alice In TX/MO]

Tom, not nice. Simple mix up on someone's part.

Obtuse isn't a nice term.

 

[Tom Horn]

I and my beliefs are inseparable, that is why I quote the Bible in attempting to make responsive points, not in an effort to conduct a Bible study.

I have irrevocably learned to not broach subjects on HT to which there is so much biased hostility towards.

Let them eat pablum for that is what the people crave.

Or just follow the rules of the privately owned forum you joined and post in the appropriate forum.

You and I had this same discussion several months ago and Admin and mods are still not interested in changing the rules.

It was a nice attempt to blame mods though.

I have attempted to find where any reference to the Bible is verboten in the HT postings and subject to extreme censure.

All that I could find was this.

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No mention of the Bible whatsoever.

Could you also, please advise as to where I attempted to blame the mods.

The biased hostility that I was experiencing was coming from other members who resented the fact that I quote the Bible as an expression and extension of my core values.

You are the one who brought in the mods, not I.

In my experience if the shoe doesn't fit, it does not get mentioned.

That speaks volumes to me.

 

[Alice In TX/MO]

Guess what. Religious discussions don't belong here. You have been told that.

It speaks volumes that you continue to parade yourself as the be all and end all of religious knowledge and that YOUR religious point of view is valuable to anyone but you.

Shake the dust from your sandals.

 

[newfieannie]

i always though we weren't supposed to start another thread along the same lines as the one that had already been moved elsewhere. use to be onetime i dont know about now.

 

[Tom Horn]

i always though we weren't supposed to start another thread along the same lines as the one that had already been moved elsewhere. use to be onetime i dont know about now.

I have heard about this mysterious elsewhere.

Do you know where I can find this elsewhere as I have fruitlessly attempted to do so?

If threads that have been moved there still exist, it would be redundant to attempt to continue them or start one of a similar nature.

Don't you agree?

 

[wr]

Tom, the rules aren’t going to change because you demand it and lashing out and insulting other members is also against the rules.

 

[Tom Horn]

Tom, the rules aren’t going to change because you demand it and lashing out and insulting other members is also against the rules.

I am not demanding that any rules be changed to suit me personally.

I would merely like for the rules to be fairly and equitably enforced with as much enthusiasm and vigor for one side as for the other.

I am well aware that ad hominem attacks are rude and uncalled for.

Are you accusing me of such?

Please point out where I have done so, that I may apologize.

Because to allude with no proof is in itself an ad hominem, and where would that leave you?

 

[Alice In TX/MO]

Post #31
"Are you so obtuse"

 

[Tom Horn]

Tom, the rules aren’t going to change because you demand it and lashing out and insulting other members is also against the rules.

Report, reason:

First wr indicates that I want the rules changed to suit me, which I do not.

wr then poses an ad hominem attack. With no cited proof, wr insinuates that I lash out and insult others.

This leaves the readers to believe wr by virtue of the wr's position of moderator that wr is automatically correct and I am automatically guilty.

It leaves me with the distinct impression that what is levied against the goose does not have to be adhered to by the gander and moderators get to act with impunity and willy-nilly openly castigate and humiliate those they disagree with.