People and Trespassing?

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  1. 6e

    6e Farm lovin wife Supporter

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    Yesterday I looked out my living room windows just in time to see some guy galloping on his horse with his two dogs going across our pasture. I looked out the dining room windows and they had their truck and trailer parked down in our far north pasture entrance and another guy on another horse.
    I got my husband and he jumped in the truck and went down there and asked them what they were doing and they said that they thought they saw their cows in our back 40 pasture. He told them he was lucky they didn't get shot and that next time ask.
    Now I don't have a problem with them going to look for their cows, which by the way weren't there. But what got me is they just pulled in there and then proceeded to do their thing and never stopped by and asked if it was OK. It wouldn't have taken them 30 seconds to ask and I would told them fine, but I at least would have liked to have known rather than seeing some strange man riding across my pasture!
    My husband told him that we have a lot of people try to sneak back to our back 40 to go deer hunting. (it's real wooded back there) And since it's getting close to deer hunting, can't be too careful.
    Is there laws that say that if a person looses their critter they can go on another property without asking? I mean I guess if I was in hot pursuit of my sheep I would go on another property, but all the land around us, the owners are at least miles away if not counties away. Our house is right here in plain sight.
    I don't know, I guess it just kind of aggravated me. I just thought it was rude. I think people are getting more rude these days.

    OK, I'm done now. :)
     
  2. PyroDon

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    Asking is simple curtisy
    you are correct to be angry
     

  3. electronrider

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    At the point you cross a property line to get your animals, not only are your animals tresspassing, but then so are you.
     
  4. jross

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    Not only did my neighbor and I have tresspassers, they had the nerve to post our land. Each sign cost them $25, plus $1000 for littering. When I asked one of them if he new how to read a compass or use a GPS he told me that I had an attitude. I was peeved because I caught him on the last day of my extended deer permit and it was the peak of the rut. He just started at a corner and nailing signs every 30-40 feet, not considering the direction he was traversing. When I got him he was only off by 2000 ft. The best thing about those clowns hunting where they do is that the prevailing winds blow from them to us and they are to ignorant or stupid to realize they push deer to us every time they hunt the property they lease. (And post)
     
  5. Ravenlost

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    I can't abide trespassers and will confront them every time. You have every right to be angry. They were out of line, cows or not.
     
  6. palani

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    Most landowners are outraged by trespassers. Most landowners also don't take the time to properly post their property either. I guess they think the neighbors will think they are anti-sociable if they post it. So if you get mad at something like this you might look a little closer to home for the remedy to the problem.

    I had a 4 month old calf take off while I was planting corn several years ago. It ended up about 3 miles away from the place and I sure didn't stop at each neighbor to ask permission to go get it. That little bugger was all over the countryside. The only reason I got it in was one of the neighbors loaned me his ATV.
     
  7. gunslinger598

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    It helps to know who your neighbors are. Laws vary widely from state to state. Some laws state that you don't have to post your land, it's up to trespassers and hunter to know where they are. Other states allow tresspassing unless posted. Some states allow you to collect a fee per head per day on livestock that trespasses. It's best to know your neighbors and their attitude. Then you can easily recoganize unknowns.
     
  8. travlnusa

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    If it had been me in their shoes, and I knew I saw my cows there (not just thought I saw them) I would have gone after the cows.

    After getting them off your land, and back onto mine, I would have then gone to you and asked what damages I owed you.

    I had mine get out once, and my only goal and concern was getting them back home. Once you find them, you tend to not want to lose sight of them again. Once they were back home, I went to the land owner, told him what had happened and where they were on his land (this was crop land). We both went out and looked things over and agreed all was well.

    Twice I have had cows from other herds show up in my yard. The family gets them rounded up, and we put them in the front pasture. Each time the next morning, the owner showed up to get his cows, thank us, and offer whatever it is we may be looking for (the answer is always they owe me a cup of coffee next time we are at the same place in town).
     
  9. Ravenlost

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    I take the time to keep my property posted properly and it doesn't deter a whole lot of folks. People who will trespass have no respect for a landowner or the signs the landowner might put up.
     
  10. HilltopDaisy

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    Depends on who it is. I've gone out of my way to meet my neighbors over the last four years. I've dropped off eggs, fresh baked cookies, extra produce, etc., and introduced myself. Do I want to hang out with my neighbors? Heck NO, but I've been very friendly any time the opportunity presented itself. If any of these folks came over here unannounced, looking for critters, I'd be a lot more likely to understand. I've had my pasture torn up by the neighbors horses, but this is the same fella who caught my sheep when they got out while I was at work. Every so often my Lily (Shi Tzu) gets out, and all the neighbors are great about looking out for her. We all have land; it's not a subdivision or development. If a stranger came ripping through here, I'd probably be pretty peeved ~ then I'd offer to help look for the wayward critters!
     
  11. 6e

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    These guys are not my neighbors. They have cattle around here, but they live about 15 miles away. And I'm not even sure the riders were the guy that owns them, perhaps just his cowboys. I know the guy that owns the cattle as his cattle have been in our pasture more than once and one time I called him to come get his cattle that were eating our hay and it took 3 days before he came to get them.

    His riders knew where the property lines are as our whole 80 acres is fenced in and they had to use a driveway that gives access to our barn. We're now going to put a pipe gate across there and padlock it. It wasn't that they didn't know, it's just that they didn't care. They didn't have to be in a big hurry to chase after them since our 80 is fenced in the only choices the cows had were to go back over to their own pasture or stay in ours since there's nowhere else for them to go. I think it was more that they just plain didn't give a twit.

    We've had other people stop that have lost a steer or bull and think that it might be on our property, but they always stop and ask if it would be OK for them to drive back to the trees and look and we always let them.

    We have the pasture cross fencen in several places and there are gulleys, what would have happened if one of those riders had fallen off their horse and gotten hurt real bad, wouldn't we be liable? What if our dog had spotted them and took out after them and their horses and spooked them? What if their cattle had been back there and they had started herding them to the front and our kids had been at the back pond and got in the way? I just think there's a lot of liability there.

    This guy got in trouble with the county because his cattle are always lose and were causing a hazard in the roads and so the county came through, put up a temp fence and bulldozed all of the trees along the road along with his old fence and then ordered him to put up a new fence. That or train his cows better. :)

    I can understand chasing your critter across other people's properties and being in a hurry to catch them, but our house was right there. If the cattle had been in our yard or even in the front 40 I might not have had as much of a problem as going to our back 40 without asking.

    It's not a big deal, it's just the principle of the matter that's all. The man that use to live down the road from us, on occassion his cattle would come to visit, but his wife would always call and say that he was coming in the truck to fetch his cows and I'd say fine, but at least they let me know.
     
  12. Dee

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    When I bought my property, which is on a culdesac, on top of a mountain, it was a make-out, hunting and hiking spot. So, it took a couple of years to get people to stop coming by. One day I look out and see a bunch of guys on bicycles going down my gravel drive that goes to my barn. I run out and one guy was still on my paved drive and I asked what they thought they were doing. He said he didn't know, and rode away from me, DOWN THE GRAVEL DRIVE TO HIS FRIENDS! I'm yelling down to them that they do not belong there, to come back up, it is private property and they are ignoring me, until I threaten to call the police. I'm giving them a hard time about not listening to me and where did they think they were going. I actually knew the path they were looking for because it was still there but at that point, I wasn't about to show them. Especially since they were only half-heartedly apologized.

    I had a turkey hunter tell me where he wanted me to put a gate so he could get into my pens. Husband told him he was no longer welcome.

    I still have a tree stand that no one ever claimed. It looked brand new when we moved in.

    I agree with you. If he thought he saw his cows in your pasture, he could have asked you. How do you know he wasn't trying to take your cattle. If he was chasing the cows... that's another story. I've chased horses through towns (two different times, two different towns)
     
  13. 6e

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    :) When we were building our house we noticed tire tracks going through the grass back to the trees and upon closer inspection got ourselves a really nice tree stand!
    Now we have trouble with the people that own the land to the south, they live probably a good hour and half drive from here and every year during deer season they come out and run deer with trucks. We can hear their trucks roaring through the trees and then you'll hear them stop and shots fired. It's really irritating. It's not ethical, it's illegal and it's not fair chase. We've called the game warden, but for all of this county there is only 2 game wardens and by the time they get here the guys are long gone. They make it very hard for us to hunt deer on our property. One of these days when I'm rich and famous (haha) I'm going to make him an offer for his land that he can't refuse and that'll be the end of it. :)
     
  14. HilltopDaisy

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    15 miles away!!!! That's a whole 'nother situation!
     
  15. swamp man

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    Trespassers make my blood boil,but I also live in an Ag zoned area,there's lotsa' farmers around,and I know well that even the most responsible farmer can have stock get loose.
    If I ran across a person on my land who was just trying to retrieve his critters,I woulodn't be in the least bit mad,and would offer whatever help I could.
    Sure,they could have taken a moment to stop and chat,but when the critters are runnin' loose,time can be of the essence.
    Had yall handled the situation differently,ya' mighta' made friends with the neighbors instead of enemies.
     
  16. 6e

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    They're not enemies, they just know to ask next time! :)
    Time was not of the essence this time as like I stated, our whole 80 is fenced in as is the 160 behind us and so the cattle really couldn't go anywhere and they didn't even know for sure that they were in our pasture, they just "thought they saw them in ours". They never retrieved any cattle off our pasture and left with an empty trailer.
     
  17. tikaani

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    last year we had quarter acre plowed up by a farmer leasing nearby land. he also managed to cut down several fruit trees. two months ago i heard a tractor and once again caught him driving his tractor through my yard to get to one of his fields. This was done even when i have the property clearly marked.
     
  18. pyrnad

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    Every year during deer hunting season, we find hunters. My property is posted on all sides. The signs are 6 feet apart. I do not allow hunters on my land for fear one of my farm animals will get shot. I have escorted several hunters off of my land, and show them the signs. One guy had the nerve to come back twice. Said he thought he was here before. One guy had a 4 year old child with him. The kid was carrying dads 6 pack.
     
  19. palani

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    6e posted

    No liability. Duty owed to a trespasser is to not intentionally injure them. It is service people and invited guests that you have a problem with.
     
  20. Irish Pixie

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    It depends on where you live if you're liable for trespassers- I'm in NY and if some yahoo got hurt on my property, even tho it's posted, I'd be liable. That's why we are forced to pay for a Million Dollar liablity insurance policy. :grump:

    Stacy