Peak Oil (The technology out there might suprise you)

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  1. seedspreader

    seedspreader AFKA ZealYouthGuy

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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1526914,00.html

    Hydrogen bike that's on the side of the angels
    By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent
    A ZERO-EMISSION motorcycle that glides silently through city streets might sound the ideal way to remain mobile in a world of dwindling oil supplies.

    Yet there is a snag with this transport revolution. Riders could be forced to stay within 50 miles of the humdrum Essex town of Hornchurch, the only place that sells the hydrogen that the bike needs.

    It may also have to broadcast artificial engine noise because the electric motor is too quiet to be heard by pedestrians.

    The world’s first pupose- built fuel-cell motorbike was unveiled yesterday at the Design Museum.

    With a top speed of only 50mph and a rate of acceleration similar to that of a milk-float, the bike will not appeal to budding Hell’s Angels, but Intelligent Energy, the British company that developed the bike, believes that rising concern over global warming will translate into strong demand for vehicles that produce no carbon dioxide.

    Fuel cells generate electricity by mixing hydrogen with oxygen from the air. Assuming that the hydrogen comes from a renewable source, the only emission is water.

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  2. WisJim

    WisJim Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The problem is that the big companies are not considering using renewables to generate hydrogen, but rather making it from gasoline or natural gas. Storing it is also a problem.

    Jim
     

  3. wy_white_wolf

    wy_white_wolf Just howling at the moon

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    Actually the problem is it takes more energy to produce the hydrogen than you get out of it. By comparision, How long can you operate a business and spend 30% more than you take in. Hydrogen doesn't solve any problems. Just moves it from one place to another and multiplies the problem.
     
  4. TnTnTn

    TnTnTn Well-Known Member

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    Exactly www in WY. There are no hydrogen wells or rivers. Hydrogen won't save us from the end of oil unless some major new energy source or technology is developed that can break down water cheaply. Maybe nuclear fusion would generate enough cheap energy to do this but the infrastructure, hazard, and waste issues are probably insurmountable if controlled fusion is even possible. TnTnTn
     
  5. Old Jack

    Old Jack Truth Seeker

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    also, have you ever seen a hydrogen refueling station?
    I haven't, how long do you think it would take to get a hydrogen refueling network across the nation?