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Ok Local Cops did couple Raids the other day, didn't have Warrants and didn't knock or Identify their selves.

They didn't find anything. Do they no longer need a Warrant? And what if a person was to shoot them entering their house which is legal here in Missouri to shoot anyone breaking into your house?

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If you shoot an intruder and it turns out to be a cop you be charged with murder;
http://therighttobear.com/man-charged-for-murder-after-killing-police-officer-in-no-knock-raid/

Although this guy was eventually not charged for killing a cop, it apparently was the exception
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/texas-man-wont-prosecuted-killing-cop-knock-raid/

And no warrant is needed if the cops believe you are a danger to yourself;
http://www.politicalears.com/blog/s...fiscate-your-guns-without-warrant-or-charges/

And apparently the cops are never wrong and are not responsible for damages incurred while raiding the wrong address.

Just fyi, a map showing botched SWAT and paramilitary police raids:
http://www.cato.org/raidmap

I'll freely admit, doing a google search on "no warrant police raids" really has me frightened.
 

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If you shoot an intruder and it turns out to be a cop you be charged with murder;
http://therighttobear.com/man-charged-for-murder-after-killing-police-officer-in-no-knock-raid/

Although this guy was eventually not charged for killing a cop, it apparently was the exception
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/texas-man-wont-prosecuted-killing-cop-knock-raid/

And no warrant is needed if the cops believe you are a danger to yourself;
http://www.politicalears.com/blog/s...fiscate-your-guns-without-warrant-or-charges/
These were Drug Raids.

If said Cop don't identify their self how are you to know who you are shooting?

Truth I have never shot anyone trying to get in my house but my wife has and wasn't charged for any of it. Oh she shot through the Door.

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Nothing new about no knock entry for drug raids.... that was going on in the early seventies when I was living in Kalifornia. One of my neighbors got raided.... cops kicked the doors in, rushed in with their shotguns and busted a bunch of us guys... holding a bible study!!! They exited a bit quieter and were a bit red faced but no apologies or fixing the damages.
 

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Oh, No--I disagree with the comment about Cops liking to shoot people--sounds like Ferguson all over again!
They do have to identify themselves as they break in--unless laws changed in Mo--the only person not needing a warrent is a game warden.
 
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Think about something....the what role does the legislature ....law makers have in this?
What role does the judicial play in this. Do bureaucratic truly have more power when the executive brand is out of control.

Votes do matter. Is supporting a group of people who threatened abuse a good thing to vote for?

Did people think it was going to get better.
 

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They do have to identify themselves as they break in-
Just like they have to obey traffic laws????? Doesn't matter if they are required to identify themselves or not. Many times they simply don't and conveniently also don't have functioning or any recorders. I know for a fact that they'll knock down your door without identifying themselves.
 

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Ok Local Cops did couple Raids the other day, didn't have Warrants and didn't knock or Identify their selves.

They didn't find anything. Do they no longer need a Warrant? And what if a person was to shoot them entering their house which is legal here in Missouri to shoot anyone breaking into your house?

big rockpile

Are you sure of that or just what you've been told? I would think if it is fact, there would be a few lawyers interested in litigating the illegal search and seizure aspect.
 

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The police have never needed a warrant if they have probable cause.
Wrong, probable cause is grounds for holding someone or applying for a warrant. Exigent circumstances, which usually means that someone is in danger, allow law enforcement to enter. Law enforcement officials often have a heightened sense of danger.
 
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