Northern Minnesota Questions

Discussion in 'Homesteading Questions' started by Kenneth in NC, Jul 22, 2004.

  1. Kenneth in NC

    Kenneth in NC Well-Known Member

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    I saw a posting on here that said land could be had in the $99 per acre in large tract'S 100 acre (+/-). (post said 7 years back but price hadn't changed much) This truly interest me.

    Is This True? What part of Minnesota is that in? Any contact info for that area?

    Tell me about:
    The Water supply? Well or City? "Fresh" or mineral , cholorined?
    Utilities? on sight or need much $$$$ to get there?
    Soil? Good gardening or rocky?
    Grass? good for goats, cattle?

    Political stand on firearms?

    Any Epa or other BS Guberment battles going on for use of land? Water?

    Insect population?

    Schools? (Public) Rated (_)Good (_)Bad (_) Terrible (_) Excellent

    Thanks for all your Help.

    Kenneth in NC
     
  2. Cabin Fever

    Cabin Fever Life NRA Member since 1976 Supporter

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    You have to be a little more specific about location.....99 bucks an acre?....hummmmm???...never heard of such a thing. If there is such a place it must be mostly wetland up near Rouseau or Baudette.
     

  3. The govt regulations are strict & getting stricter. Septic, water drainage, cattail protection, etc. So, EPa & Guber BS can be pretty bad. The state is run by folks living in the large metro area, so they fix epa issues by requiring those of us not in the metro region to change our lives... ;)

    I'd be surprised if such cheap land had much of any access at all. Talking remote, clearcut, pine forest or strip mine land.

    No water, utilities, or any of that very close - my guess, I donno. Water is easy to hit in Minnesota most locations, would tend to be a little or lot hard water.

    Soil tends to be rocky, but good soil. Forest soils are, of course, very thin top soil.

    I'm in southern MN, up north is a big area with lots of variation, so - I'm just guessing.

    --->Paul
     
  4. Haggis

    Haggis MacCurmudgeon

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    It's a long way from east central Saint Louis County to Lake of the Woods, but $99 an acre is what we paid seven years back and there is plenty of vacant land around here with good drainage, pasture, and possibilities.

    Haggis @ Wolf Cairn Moor
     
  5. Cabin Fever

    Cabin Fever Life NRA Member since 1976 Supporter

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    Haggis @ Wolf Cairn Moor....what kinda name is that? You're certainly not a Ranger....right?

    You're not from around here....are you?
     
  6. Haggis

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    No we're not. We moved up here from Kentucky 10 years ago to teach school in Virginia, we found this place; well actually 2 places sharing a common boundary, bought them from separate owners, built a house, pole barn, a variety of outbuildings, and more to do.

    Our front forty sets 1310' along a well-kept county road (tended all summer and plowed all winter), and the back 60 borders along it's rear side making a long 100.

    About 35 or 40 acres of the land are old pasture and the rest is Jack Pine, Birch, Popple, Spruce, and Tamarack.

    We have Wolves, White-tailed deer, Black Bear, 3 species of grouse, and a variety of other varmints living right here abouts.

    We killed six deer last season filling most of our 10 tags.

    Haggis @ Wolf Cairn Moor
     
  7. Star In N.C.

    Star In N.C. Well-Known Member

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    Haggis I'm confused :confused: Where in Minnesota are you? Can I really get a decent piece of property like yours cheap? What would 50 acres cost me? Can you give me a phone number of somebody to call about land in your area?

    Sorry Kenneth for hi-jacking your thread. But a colder climate is what me and DH are looking for. I've had enough of NC.

    Star
     
  8. Kenneth in NC

    Kenneth in NC Well-Known Member

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    Star that other poster up there is Paul he's in MN also. Hi-jack away :D

    So is St Louis county a Good area to relocate to?

    Just checked ye old rand mcnalley I'm over 1400 miles from Virgina, MN, wheee what a trip that would be.

    Is there any job opportunities up in that part of the world?

    Thanks for your help.

    Kenneth
     
  9. Haggis

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    Just contact realtors in Lake, Saint Louis, and Itasca counties. Also, the counties offer a great many parcels for sale each year, and on top of that county land can be requested to be offered for sale. So if you find some county land you fancy..., it's likely you can buy it.

    We bought our land in 2 parcels: a 40 and a 60, and paid $4000, and $5900 respectively. The first piece came from an owner who had several thousand adjoining acres, the second from a couple who had had the land up for sale for several years. We didn't try to bargain with either owner.

    When we bought our land none of the folks around here seemed impressed about the price, and most said that the price was about right for unimproved land. Any land on the Canadian Shield is going to have some wet spots but we can drive a 2 wheel drive vehicle around on our place anytime the snow is not too deep.

    Haggis @ Wolf Cairn Moor
     
  10. Virginia, Minnesota







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    Population (year 2000): 9,157, Est. population in July 2002: 8,989 (-1.8% change)
    Males: 4,296 (46.9%), Females: 4,861 (53.1%)

    Elevation: 1437 feet

    County: St. Louis

    Land area: 18.8 square miles

    Zip codes: 55792, 55777.

    Median resident age: 43.2 years
    Median household income: $28,873 (year 2000)
    Median house value: $54,000 (year 2000)

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    Races in Virginia:

    White Non-Hispanic (94.6%)
    American Indian (2.9%)
    Two or more races (1.4%)
    Hispanic (0.8%)
    Ancestries: German (17.9%), Norwegian (12.2%), Swedish (11.2%), Italian (8.7%), Irish (6.7%), English (6.0%).





    For population 25 years and over in Virginia

    High school or higher: 86.0%
    Bachelor's degree or higher: 17.3%
    Graduate or professional degree: 4.0%
    Unemployed: 5.9%
    Mean travel time to work: 14.0 minutes
    For population 15 years and over in Virginia city

    Never married: 26.6%
    Now married: 45.3%
    Separated: 1.3%
    Widowed: 13.9%
    Divorced: 12.9%
    2.1% Foreign born (1.2% Europe, 0.3% Latin America, 0.3% Asia, 0.3% North America).







    Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Duluth, MN (58.7 miles, pop. 86,918).

    Nearest city with pop. 200,000+: St. Paul, MN (181.6 miles, pop. 287,151).

    Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Chicago, IL (515.5 miles, pop. 2,896,016).

    Nearest cities: Eveleth, MN (3.8 miles), Mountain Iron, MN (4.5 miles), Gilbert, MN (5.6 miles), Biwabik, MN (13.7 miles), Buhl, MN (16.0 miles), Aurora, MN (20.7 miles), Chisholm, MN (23.3 miles), Cook, MN (25.3 miles).


    Single-family new house construction building permits:
    1997: 4 buildings, average cost: $105,000
    1998: 6 buildings, average cost: $127,500
    1999: 7 buildings, average cost: $127,500
    2000: 7 buildings, average cost: $111,900
    2001: 6 buildings, average cost: $199,200
    2002: 4 buildings, average cost: $166,000
    2003: 5 buildings, average cost: $166,000


    Area code: 218

    New: Virginia, Minnesota business data: stores, dealers, real estate agents, wholesalers, restaurants...

    Industries providing employment: Educational,health and social services (24.4%), Retail trade (14.6%), Arts,entertainment,recreation,accommodation and food services (12.3%), Agriculture,forestry,fishing and hunting, and mining (11.4%).



    Crime in Virginia (2002):
    0 murders (0.0 per 100,000)
    4 rapes (42.8 per 100,000)
    5 robberies (53.5 per 100,000)
    26 assaults (278.3 per 100,000)
    137 burglaries (1466.3 per 100,000)
    204 larceny counts (2183.5 per 100,000)
    53 auto thefts (567.3 per 100,000)
    City-data.com crime index = 330.8 (higher means more crime, US average = 330.6)


    Crime in Virginia (2001):
    0 murders (0.0 per 100,000)
    9 rapes (97.2 per 100,000)
    0 robberies (0.0 per 100,000)
    21 assaults (226.9 per 100,000)
    79 burglaries (853.6 per 100,000)
    378 larceny counts (4084.3 per 100,000)
    35 auto thefts (378.2 per 100,000)
    City-data.com crime index = 341.3 (higher means more crime)


    Average weather in Virginia, Minnesota
    Based on data reported by over 4,000 weather stations

    Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    Average temp. (°F) 5.0 12.0 24.2 38.9 52.6 61.4 65.9 63.8 53.7 41.8 25.4 10.9
    High temperature (°F) 15.1 22.8 34.4 50.0 64.6 72.7 76.6 74.3 64.0 51.0 32.9 19.7
    Low temperature (°F) -5.1 1.0 13.9 27.8 40.6 50.1 55.1 53.3 43.4 32.5 17.9 2.1
    Precipitation (in) 0.8 0.6 1.2 1.7 2.8 4.3 4.3 3.7 3.2 2.3 1.4 0.7



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    Normal climate around Virginia, Minnesota
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    Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    Days with precip. 12 9 11 11 12 13 12 11 12 10 11 11
    Wind speed (mph) 11.2 10.9 11.5 12.0 11.3 10.1 9.2 9.1 10.0 10.9 11.3 10.9
    Morning humidity (%) 78 77 78 76 76 82 85 88 88 82 81 80
    Afternoon humidity (%) 72 68 65 58 56 62 63 66 67 65 72 75
    Sunshine (%) 48 53 55 56 57 58 65 61 52 46 35 39
    Days clear of clouds 7 7 7 6 6 5 7 7 6 7 5 6
    Partly cloudy days 7 6 7 8 10 11 13 12 9 8 6 6
    Cloudy days 17 15 17 16 15 14 11 11 15 17 20 19
    Snowfall (in) 17.0 11.5 13.2 6.7 0.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 1.6 12.8 14.7



    Hospital/medical center in Virginia:

    VIRGINIA REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER (901 9TH ST N)
    Other hospitals/medical centers near Virginia:
    NNESOS EVELETH MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES (about 7 miles; EVELETH, MN)
    WHITE COMMUNITY HOSPITAL (about 22 miles; AURORA, MN)
    COOK HOSPITAL (about 29 miles; COOK, MN)


    Airports certified for carrier operations nearest to Virginia:
    CHISHOLM-HIBBING (about 23 miles; HIBBING, MN; ID: HIB)
    DULUTH INTL (about 54 miles; DULUTH, MN; ID: DLH)
    GRAND RAPIDS/ITASCA CO-GORDON NEWSTROM FLD (about 70 miles; GRAND RAPIDS, MN; ID: GPZ)
    Other public-use airports nearest to Virginia:
    SKY HARBOR (about 7 miles; EVELETH, MN; ID: 9Y5)
    EVELETH-VIRGINIA MUNI (about 8 miles; EVELETH, MN; ID: EVM)
    COOK MUNI (about 23 miles; COOK, MN; ID: CQM)


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    Colleges/universities with over 2000 students nearest to Virginia:
    LAKE SUPERIOR COLLEGE (about 54 miles; DULUTH, MN; Full-time enrollment: 2,512)
    UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA-DULUTH (about 59 miles; DULUTH, MN; FT enrollment: 8,224)
    UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-SUPERIOR (about 66 miles; SUPERIOR, WI; FT enrollment: 2,436)
    WISCONSIN INDIANHEAD TECHNICAL COLLEGE (about 128 miles; Shell Lake, WI; FT enrollment: 2,045)
    CENTRAL LAKES COLLEGE-BRAINERD (about 138 miles; BRAINERD, MN; FT enrollment: 2,364)
    NORTHWEST TECHNICAL COLLEGE-BEMIDJI (about 162 miles; BEMIDJI, MN; FT enrollment: 3,761)
    BEMIDJI STATE UNIVERSITY (about 162 miles; BEMIDJI, MN; FT enrollment: 3,562)
    Public high schools in Virginia:

    VIRGINIA SEC. (Students: 896; Location: 411 5TH AVE. S.; Grades: 07 - 12)
    NORTHLAND LEARNING CENTER (Students: 74; Grades: 08 - 12)
    Private high school in Virginia:

    NEW LIFE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL (Students: 51; Location: 1 SUNRISE DR; Grades: PK - 12)

    Public primary/middle schools in Virginia:

    PARKVIEW EL (Students: 510; Location: 506 N. 9TH AVE. W.; Grades: PK - 03)
    JAMES MADISON EL. (Students: 397; Location: 1201 13TH AVE. S.; Grades: 04 - 06)
    EAST RANGE SEC. TECH. CENTER (Grades: 00 - 00)
    Private primary/middle school in Virginia:

    MARQUETTE CATHOLIC SCHOOL (Students: 147; Location: 311 THIRD STREET SOUTH; Grades: PK - 6)
    Libraries in Virginia:

    ARROWHEAD LIBRARY SYSTEM (Operating income: $2,472,272; Location: 701 11TH STREET NORTH; 76,227 books; 1,829 audio materials; 24,001 video materials; 1,442 serial subscriptions)
    VIRGINIA PUBLIC LIBRARY (Operating income: $754,971; Location: 215 5TH AVENUE S; 88,911 books; 1,387 audio materials; 1,057 video materials; 215 serial subscriptions)

    Virginia compared to Minnesota state average:
    Median house value below state average.
    Black race population percentage significantly below state average.
    Hispanic race population percentage significantly below state average.
    Median age significantly above state average.
    Foreign-born population percentage significantly below state average.
    House age above state average.
    Population density below state average for cities.

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    Strongest AM radio stations in Virginia:
    WEEP (1400 AM; 1 kW; VIRGINIA, MN; Owner: FULL ARMOR MINISTRIES, INC.)
    KRBT (1340 AM; 1 kW; EVELETH, MN; Owner: IRON RANGE BROADCASTING,INC)
    WEBC (560 AM; 50 kW; DULUTH, MN)
    WNMT (650 AM; 10 kW; NASHWAUK, MN; Owner: MIDWEST RADIO NETWORK, L.L.C.)
    WDSM (710 AM; 10 kW; SUPERIOR, WI; Owner: MIDWEST COMMUNICATIONS, INC.)
    WWJC (850 AM; daytime; 10 kW; DULUTH, MN; Owner: WWJC, INC.)
    KDAL (610 AM; 5 kW; DULUTH, MN; Owner: MIDWEST COMMUNICATIONS, INC.)
    WCCO (830 AM; 50 kW; MINNEAPOLIS, MN; Owner: INFINITY MEDIA CORPORATION)
    WCTS (1030 AM; 50 kW; MAPLEWOOD, MN; Owner: CNTL. BAPT. THEO/AL SEMI MINNEAPOLIS)
    KSTP (1500 AM; 50 kW; ST. PAUL, MN; Owner: KSTP-AM, LLC (DELAWARE))
    KFAN (1130 AM; 50 kW; MINNEAPOLIS, MN; Owner: AMFM RADIO LICENSES, L.L.C.)
    WMFG (1240 AM; 1 kW; HIBBING, MN; Owner: MIDWEST RADIO NETWORK, LLC)
    KPRM (870 AM; 25 kW; PARK RAPIDS, MN; Owner: DE LA HUNT BROADCASTING CORP.)


    Strongest FM radio stations in Virginia:
    WUSZ (99.9 FM; VIRGINIA, MN; Owner: VIRGINIA BROADCASTING CO.)
    WIRN (92.5 FM; BUHL, MN; Owner: MINNESOTA PUBLIC RADIO)
    WIRR (90.9 FM; VIRGINIA-HIBBING, MN; Owner: MINNESOTA PUBLIC RADIO)
    W221AU (92.1 FM; VIRGINIA, MN; Owner: IRON RANGE BROADCASTING, INC.)
    W237AO (95.3 FM; VIRGINIA, MN; Owner: HEARTLAND CHRISTIAN BROADCASTERS INC)
    W269AG (101.7 FM; VIRGINIA, MN; Owner: RAY E. KENT)
    WEVE-FM (97.9 FM; EVELETH, MN; Owner: IRON RANGE BROADCASTING, INC.)


    TV broadcast stations around Virginia:
    K74AS (Channel 74; VIRGINIA, MN; Owner: COUNTY OF.KOOCHICHING)
    WIRT (Channel 13; HIBBING, MN; Owner: WDIO-TV, LLC)
     
  11. Yes! Of course, I'm biased because I grew up there and lived there my entire life, until almost two months ago, when I got married and moved to central/southern MN. I loved growing up in MN. My husband and I have considered moving back up to northern MN sometime.

    I can give you the name and number of a good realtor up in Virginia and also know of someone who is going to be selling their 127-acre farm (located about 30 miles south of Virginia). Post back here or e-mail me if you'd like more info about Virginia and the area, etc. E-mail: pamelakris@yahoo.com Website listed below.

    Pamela
    Wife to Kevin since June 07, 2004
    Riverview-Ranch, the nearly-critterless ranch, because the owner went to college and is now living in a big city :eek: (but will be back on a farm someday)
    http://www.geocities.com/pamelakris
     
  12. Phantomfyre

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    Depends on where in N. MN you are looking. Lots of land up there is Nat'l Forest, Parks, or protected land. Lots of woods. Lots of lakes. Lots of skeeters - big ones! (Haven't you heard - MN's state bird is the mosquito! LOL!)

    But it's beautiful up there. Seasonally, it gets busy with tourists -fishermen, canoeists, campers, etc. That industry is important. Other than that... mining.

    Looking for a colder climate than NC? N. MN will give you that!!! When you watch the weather forecast in winter, and the man says, "The coldest place in the country right now is International Falls, MN," he means it!

    But you can't beat the weather in the summer. Beats the heck out of the heat & humidity of the south! (I lived in Richmond, VA for 6 years, and the #1 reason I wanted to leave: the weather. Summer & winter - 2 seasons: Muggy & muddy. I like snow. And I like being able to go outside in the summertime and not start sweating bullets immediately.)

    And the wildlife - moose, bear, wolves, and loons. I miss loons. And northern lights.

    Didn't actually live in N. MN - I grew up in E. Central MN (about an hour north of "The Cities" - Mpls/St. Paul). So I don't know anything about the schools and such.

    Missin' MN,
    Diana
     
  13. Cabin Fever

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    Okay Kenny, I have some info for you. But first, my take as a 4th generation Minnesotan and a professional soil scientist of the Virginia MN area. First you have to realize that this is a somewhat depressed area. The big business in this region was iron mining. Iron mining employed 1000's of people not to long ago. Most (All?) of the mines have closed leaving 1000's jobless. When this first occured (about 10 or so years ago?) land and homes were selling for 5 to 10 cents on the dollar! Haggis could probably answer this better, but I believe that the primary jobs nowadays are in the tourist/service industry and perhaps the logging/paper industry.

    My perception of northern St. Louis county and adjacent counties is that they are primarily forests, wetlands, lakes, bedrock outcroppings, and vast mined out areas. Don't get me wrong, it's beautiful country....lots of it is desolete and unaccessible. Great for hunting, fishing and outdoor activities.

    As far as agriculture goes, row crop farming is non-existent. Gardens are plentiful with careful management....you might even get early varieties of tomatoes most years. For the most part, the soils are shallow, wet, rocky and clayey. Good for pasture, but that's about it.

    The predicted low temps for tonight are in the low 40s.

    In my searching around, I didn't find any land close to $100/acre....but I ain't saying that it's not available.

    Well water is plentiful.....taste and color are another issue. If approved for septics, you can count on building a mound system (~$10,000).

    Here are some links that you might find useful:

    Tax Forfeit Land Sales

    St. Louis County maps

    Mesabi Range Newspaper

    Coldwell-Banker Real Estate (shows all land listings regardless of realator)

    Good luck!
     
  14. Haggis

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    I've only lived in Northern Minnesota for 10 years and according the culture of area I'm an outsider and will remain so ad infinitum ad nauseum. Some of my children have married "Rangers" so their children might be accepted into regular society but maybe not. One thing I do know is that there is plenty of cheap land for those who are enterprising (Rangers generally aren't) the mines and it's unions destroyed the work ethics of this region long ago. One of my daughters is married to a fellow whose now retired father likes to brag about how many time-and-a-half work days he spent hiding in the bathroom and all the while complaining about "deadbeats on welfare".

    As a Southerner I've found the area to have enormous opportunities, especially for those of the thrifty, frugal, homesteader mentality.

    Most of the land has old fences which tell me that the early breed of Ranger were fencing in something or fencing out something. Likely they were fencing in cattle. Unlkely they were fencing out mosquitoes and ticks. Second and third generation Rangers went to work at the mines and gradually the "live Friday to Friday mentality" took over. Most Southerners I've known have half a dozen irons in the fire at any one time just to make ends meet; you'd need that up here too but it pays better.

    We came here 10 years ago and I must have missed the $.05 to $.10 on the dollar homes and property; imagine $100,000 homes going for $5,000 to $10,000! We could have been a slum lords!

    Where we lived in Eastern Kentucky there was a historic 70% unemployment rate. Compared to there this place is Heaven.

    I've met a lot of people here who have been here there whole lives who dream of owning their own place. We were here for 3 years before we bought ours. In part it took that long because we weren't sure we'd stay and in part because we were just looking for something we liked.

    I probably sound like I'm down on Rangers; I am, but mainly because of there negative attitudes. You know the "All of my stuff is stuff and all of your stuff is *****" attitude. Most Rangers will leave a person alone but if they get a rub against you; watch your back.

    The good thing is that they are gradually becoming the minority as more people move here and more of them move away.

    By-the-by, should anyone doubt what I'm saying about what I paid and what we have; drop by and we'll show you the paperwork and our "working" homestead.

    Haggis @ Wolf Cairn Moor
     
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  16. Uhmmm Haggis what's a "Ranger"?

    And Haggis that last line sounds like an invitation to visit you. Better be careful I've read on here where Kenneth in NC has visited some homesteaders in different states.

    Is you water bad? wrong color?

    Sounds too cold up there for my blood. <shivers>

    ----> Jean at work
     
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    The fellow who drilled our well and had our water tested said he'd only heard of one bad well in all of his years drilling. Our water is as good as it gets.

    An Iron Ranger is someone born and bred on Minnesota's Iron Range.

    Haggis @ Wolf Cairn Moor
     
  18. Kenneth in NC

    Kenneth in NC Well-Known Member

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    Jean Don’t go scaring Haggis. Hmmmm a trip to Minnesota


    Haggis Only 1 bad well in his lifetime sounds like not a problem for water then. What type septic system do you have? Would a regular cement tank and drain field work? What is a usual type system in that part of MN?

    When I’m talking “good well water” I mean taste good, clear, not hard or mineralized. I’ve seen some strange water out west, And even stranger ways of treating it.
    By the way Haggis that is an open invitation to visit…Right?


    Cabin Fever How far away are you from where Haggis is talking about? Is it that big of difference in Well water and septic systems?


    Here in NC I had to pay $3500 for a cement septic tank and drain field. Our place is on hard rock and red clay. So I understand that digging down can be a pain. That’s why we had our well bored (350 feet).
     
  19. rambler

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    Minnesota is on the leading edge of fussy for septic systems. Now, it is up to _each county_ to enforce the laws, but the laws are there. You need a good perk, and you need a good location of undisturbed soil, or you will be getting a mound septic system. Here in Minnesota, a mound is more common that a regular leech line type. Any time land changes hands, you have about 9 months to bring the old septic system into compliance with current laws. My southern county is _very_ strict about this. Perhaps some up north ar lass so, but in all of Minnesota I would guess not by much any more. the screws really tightened down the last 5-7 years. You can't do any of your own work, licensed pros, and several inspections, and you must pump the tank at least every third year.

    A mound system is a pile of sand on top of your septic tank where the leach lines are in. (It's more complicated than that, but the gist of it.) You need a lift pump to get fluids out of the tank & into the leach. They are used in tight clay, very wet, or disturbed soil conditions. Those conditions cover much of Minnesota. I always said every septic put in in the last 5 years here was a mound, but my friend just go ok'ed for a regular leach, he has enough fall & right soil. Very rare. You won't really know what septic & what water you get until you do it.

    Much of Minnesota has a lot of 'hard' water in it's deep wells. They are very, very good wells, and good water. It's just hard is all. Minerals. What I shrug off as good pure water people from other parts of the country think tastes like chewing on a rusty iron bar. Guess it's all in what you are comparing it to. I would call it good pure water. Down here in the south (Minnesota, not The South...) they don't allow shallow wells any more, but seems they may up north?????

    You will be amazed at what -20 degrees F feels like if you are going in the Ely part of the iron range. Pretty common temp up there in January. Just takes your breath away. Tires rattle a while because they are froze out-of-round.

    Most of rural Minnesota is divided up into that insider/ outsider thing. If you move in from another state, we kinda figure you are going to move out again, so no point in getting too close to you. :) If you look on that web page someone posted that lists vital statistics for all towns, you will see a lot of these small towns of Minnesota have several generations of families. Folks just don't pull up roots very often, and we are suspect of those that do. A little bit. If you stick around 40-50 years, we might feel you actually plan on staying long enough to get to know you. Kind of hard to define that attitude, just how it is - lots of folks seem to take it as racism if they happen to be of a different color - but that is _NOT_ it. It's about roots & relation & sticking it out where you are. The farm I live on has been in the family 110 years, plan on another 30-40. Wish I had kids to give it to so they could have it another generation. Or 2 or 3. My dad's brother retired from the next door farm, my mom's family had 16 kids and 8 of them ran farms in her home county. People just get roots here.

    --->Paul