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New guy with tons of questions

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Hey all, I have a lot of questions. We are purchasing 10 acres that has been a lifelong dream. We purchased 5 acres and my daughter bought the adjoining 5. This will in theory give us 10 acres of usable property. We affectionately call it the Compound. My daughter asks all of her dates "What skills will you bring to the compound?" This weeds the lazy ones out pretty quick, lol.

I am trying to design our house/Barndominium to be more self reliant. I have always been concerned with fresh water supply. The aquifers here in Oklahoma continue to go down every year. I am trying to incorporate rain water harvesting into the mix with a retention cistern. I have found a few videos on Youtube that help, but I am wondering if anyone has used a multi-source system?

I have been employed in the aviation business for the last 35 years, so redundancy is a way of life. I would like to have a well that fills the cistern (Approx. 5,000 gallons). The second source would be the rain water collection. This would help soften the hard water as well. I would also like to incorporate a solar well pump, since Oklahoma has a ton of sunny days. I would also like to capture the grey water and use it for watering a garden etc. Maybe install a diverter for the off season.

Just trying to plan this all out to be as efficient in the building stages as possible. It's always easier to do it up front instead of trying to retrofit.

Thanks,

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My water well fills a 2500 gallon cistern. There is a secondary pump to bring water to the house. I didn’t have the funds to put in water catchment at the time of construction.
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My grandparents house was equipped with a roof run-off system that filled the cistern. The cistern fed most of the house water system. They also had a well that served a single cold water faucet in the kitchen and went to the barn and chicken coop for watering the livestock.

I was used to drinking the roof "sparrow chit water" (as Grandpa called it) but hubby got really sick after drinking it. Now there are UV sterilizers and filter systems to use on rain water catchment systems. Yes, they are expensive. But it's better than spending 6 months staying close to a toilet.
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Yeah the game plan is to house everything inside a grain bin silo. I’ll have the tank, filtration system and the UV light out of sight. I’ll spray foam the inside of the silo for the colder months.
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Is it a grain bin or a silo? Will there be any heat in the bin? Can you run gutter and downspout water to the cistern with above-ground piping?
Hey good on ya man! I guess you could say we are starting from scratch to as we're building a new home on a bare lot.
Where to start ? I'd do a site plan for the well, house n septic, garden or smalllivestock. Hard to get a well drill rig into some spots, big trucks.
And then the rest of the planed utilities, electrical service n such.
Really nice to be able to build your own home. No matter what experience level.
You can build exactly what you want.
Hopefully you'll enjoy the experience
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Thanks guys. It’s been a lifelong dream. I’ll keep you updated. I’m sure I’ll have plenty of questions.
I once thought about building a home using a grain bin. Actually two grain bins with concrete in between. Cost was too high and low resale value. Foam insulation is a good plan but needs to be covered as it will mold with house humidity. Hard to do with round walls.
Now working on building out of concrete with foam sandwiched between 2 walls. Have built a geodesic dome.
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Please post pictures
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I LOVE that your daughter's joining you in your dream. I'd LOVE for my daughter to join us someday when she can convince her hubs. We bought 10 acres at the end of 2022 and had all the conservation principles in mind - but not overdoing it, just didn't want to waste or spend unnecessarily. So I had in mind a semi-off-grid situation, composting toilet, greywater, rainwater catchment, etc. Reading internet estimates on septic scared me.

But after much research, reality kicked in. Well water would have to be treated or filtered before using for irrigation. You have to keep on top of rainwater - it doesn't stay awesome for long, composting toilets are made poorly and cost a ton or work pretty well if you make it yourself but are ugly, no, you can't greywater all that you think and it's a bit difficult to regulate how much water is going to different parts of the garden but it's also a pain to have each greywater source go to a different part of your landscape.

For greywater, I recommend this: The New Create an Oasis with Greywater 6th Ed: Integrated Design for Water Conservation, Reuse, Rainwater Harvesting, and Sustainable Landscaping - by Art Ludwig. He'll tell you some stuff, including how urine is bad in areas that have periods of low rainfall and heavy soils - like where we live in Central Texas. And some limitations of other greywater sources.

I got a fabulous $6500 quote for septic for a 2BR cottage - very thankful for that in 2023! - and will be a doing a simple 1-outlet greywater system pulling from a dishwasher, shower, and kitchen sink - 1 diverter for all of that to go to septic or greywater outlet to simplify things and not make my general contractor GC too crazy :) My country/ranch-knowledgeable handyman said I need a minimum amount of water flow for the toilet solids, so the GC said let's make the bathroom sink and toilet go directly to the septic - great.

The 2BR cottage is meant to be our vacation home for now, and if we love it out there we'll hire a builder for a regular house. If you want to build a legit house, I'd do it from scratch.

Our cottage - I didn't care if it was built amazingly - we wanted it up fast and affordable, so we got an already-built shed shell put on the property. I do not anticipate it to last forever, so I would not recommend people go this route for their regular house. It's not ideal, has crappy windows, and doesn't have the sheathing you would want to prevent leaks, etc. in the future nor 2x6 exterior studs for thicker insulation. We couldn't put in deep-set piers ahead of time because of the way it's wheeled into place, so it's on a series of cinder blocks on hand-tamped gravel, mini excavator-dug holes. ALSO, the darned shed company didn't put the skids at the same spacing as a same-sized unit I in-person measured from so our holes weren't even dug exactly where the skids on our delivered unit were - I was very upset about that. Why isn't skid spacing standard? Geez. Anyway, my handyman is grumbling about how I'll have issues in the future, and yeah, I know.

We'll set up filtered rainwater catchment at some point in the future. We also have a pond - have to test that water at some point because we get run-off from surrounding properties where they run cattle and hay so that may have some chemical, etc. residues that make it not ideal for some purposes. We'll see.

Enjoy your journey! I remember when we started out, since my husband and I differ so much in how we think - I thought we'll see if this doesn't break us up :) - and it turns out that we are learning to cooperate like we never have had to before - it's very rewarding when we get through and past conflicts and we get better each time!
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Well water would have to be treated or filtered before using for irrigation.
What's wrong with your area's well water that it would have to be treated before using it in a garden? If it has to be treated before using it outdoors I would wonder if it could be made safe enough for drinking.
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Humming the Jeopardy song.
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What's wrong with your area's well water that it would have to be treated before using it in a garden? If it has to be treated before using it outdoors I would wonder if it could be made safe enough for drinking.
Just based on what my handyman said and a friend on well water. The water's too hard - calcium, whatnot. The friend has a water softener in the well house and has been doing well with her raised vegetable garden at least for the first season. We've got heavy clay soils with dry summers, so the salt build-up from a water softener in the soil might be an issue. I'll be figuring out what filters to put on that well water based on water tests. And going to do rainwater catchment for irrigation eventually.
How humid are the summers?

Have you considered using a commercial low grain dehumidifier to collect water to supplement your other water sources?

Those don't use much power for the water collected.
You cannot water plants with humidifier water. Wife killed a bunch of house plants that way. I do not know why but read NOT to use that water for irrigation
Just based on what my handyman said and a friend on well water. The water's too hard - calcium, whatnot. The friend has a water softener in the well house and has been doing well with her raised vegetable garden at least for the first season. We've got heavy clay soils with dry summers, so the salt build-up from a water softener in the soil might be an issue. I'll be figuring out what filters to put on that well water based on water tests. And going to do rainwater catchment for irrigation eventually.
You need to have the water tested. My water has so much lime in it that it leaves dust inside a container when it evaporates. I use the hard water on outdoor plants.

I just watered a whole bunch of little pots with my hard water.

You cannot water plants with humidifier water. Wife killed a bunch of house plants that way. I do not know why but read NOT to use that water for irrigation
It must have been something else that killed the plants. I have been using dehumidifier water on indoor plants for years. I water seedlings, soak seeds for sprouting and water mature plants with dehumidifier water. I haven't had any luck rooting cuttings in it but it is fine for the other plants.

It doesn't have any nutrients in it so you might need to add fertilizer occasionally.
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