Need help with a young buck

Discussion in 'Goats' started by moosemaniac, Nov 4, 2005.

  1. moosemaniac

    moosemaniac Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,662
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2003
    Location:
    North East, PA in Northwestern PA
    My beautiful Grade Alpine, Lily, was in serious heat this morning. I put her in one of the smaller pens with Norman, my 8 month old French Alpine buck. Poor Lily did everything to entice him short of an exotic strip tease. I even aimed his nose at her behind...he appeared a bit interested, but when I let him go he just headed for the far corner and cried. Anyone have any ideas on how to get him in the mood? I've left them in that small pasture together for the day while I'm at work. My other buck, Oliver, had one doe bred last year when he was 7 months old and two more when he was 8 months. He knew what to do right away.

    Ruth
     
  2. mamahen

    mamahen Well-Known Member Supporter

    Messages:
    1,998
    Joined:
    May 11, 2002
    Location:
    US of A
    Was he introduces to her before she came into heat? Maybe the change was a little overwhelming for him? I know my buck started trying a 4 months. But it didn't take until he was 6 months.

    He should relax & once he gets used to your doe. Of course then you may miss this heat cycle.

    Tricia
     

  3. Goat Freak

    Goat Freak Slave To Many Animals

    Messages:
    1,970
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2005
    Location:
    Florida
    We had a girl that we REALLY wanted to breed with our new buck, 5 months old, and so when she came into heat, a REALLY strong one, we put her in with him and he did NOTHING, so when we figured we wasted enough time on him we sent her to our older buck, and now she is likly pregnant. I figure that he was just TOO young, so we decided to wait till next time. Good luck though, bye.
     
  4. Celtic Herritag

    Celtic Herritag Celtic Heritage Farms

    Messages:
    346
    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2005
    Location:
    CA, Usa
    Sounds perverted but could you have your young buck watch the older one service your does. I know they do this for young bulls that are getting ready to go out, and with old bulls who have lost intrest or who have been injured. Might give him an idea of what he's supposed to do with the doe.
     
  5. Teacupliz

    Teacupliz Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    697
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2003
    Location:
    Barker NY
    leave him with her and he will have it figured out by next heat.

    Liz
     
  6. leoaloha

    leoaloha Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    126
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2005
    Location:
    Hawaii
    You might have a GAY buck lol
     
  7. coso

    coso Well-Known Member Supporter

    Messages:
    1,328
    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2004
    Location:
    Missouri
    I agree with Celtic. Even if you could put a older buck up against the fence with the two and he did his blubbering, pawing, peeing thing. I think it might give encouragement to the youngster.
     
  8. mpillow

    mpillow Well-Known Member Supporter

    Messages:
    9,569
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2003
    Location:
    CHINA
    Stick his nose under her urine stream....and then let them become friends and lovers :eek:

    Not sure what smells worse... my skunked dog or my 3 billy goats gruff....
     
  9. elgordo

    elgordo Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    230
    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Location:
    oregon
    Leoaloha was joking about having a gay buck - but I understand there are rams who prefer other rams. Has anyone heard about goats who do too?!
     
  10. Goat Freak

    Goat Freak Slave To Many Animals

    Messages:
    1,970
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2005
    Location:
    Florida
    I just wanted to say that we have tried stimulatiing our boy, we put him in with a REALLY horny buck, there was no more room in any of the pens, and I think that the horny one passed on a VERY small amount of horniness.
     
  11. Sher

    Sher Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,009
    Joined:
    May 10, 2002
    LOL..gotta love my "micky"..but I just got done making a flashlight run on my does..I have never kidded this time of year...

    Micky came here very young. He also got very sick. He was a pet where he came from .. then I took over spoiling him and cottling him.

    When it came breeding time..I knew he was young, but I didn't think too much about it. But I should have. The bigger/older does intimidated him to the point of me taking him out. I had to put him to the younger smaller in stature does..which he got bred just fine.

    Still..he was timid when I put him in with the older does. When he would try and mount..they would walk off and/or butt him.

    One day..watching from the house. I saw him try, timidly. This doe just walked off. Mind you .. Mickey didn't even smell much at this point. Any way..she walked off quite a ways from him. We watched...he stood..frustrated and mad.

    Then all of a sudden..that buck put his head down, ran faster than I had any idea that he could, and hit her..right off her feet. I yelled at him and he came back up.

    She got to her feet..stood and stared. The other does standing taking it all in. From that moment on...things changed. By noon...Micky was smelling up a storm. By late afternoon...he took control of his herd. This little group of six aged does...are all due now.

    The change in smell, attitude, aggressiveness etc. all changed immediately after he took that doe off her feet. And they all responded.

    Am I having late babies? Yep. But its worth it. I let him come around on his time..not mine. Nature took its course. The does ALL respect him now. He put over 50 pounds on over the summer..he is a kitten to us and all other people..if the winds right his smell will take your breath away an acre away..he controls the girls and protects them. What more could I want from this young man?

    At the same time...this exact same thing was happening with our Dexter bull Woody. He came through it just fine too...yes..we just had a calf and exspect more .. LOL Spring has sprung in late fall here on God's Homestead!

    Have patience..and good luck with your boy!
     
  12. moosemaniac

    moosemaniac Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,662
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2003
    Location:
    North East, PA in Northwestern PA
    Well, Lily got nowhere with Norman on the day in question. I'll just try again when she's back in heat. Maybe some goat calendar photos would turn him on. ;)

    Ruth
     
  13. mpillow

    mpillow Well-Known Member Supporter

    Messages:
    9,569
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2003
    Location:
    CHINA
    I've been watching my Ernie (Nubian/toggy/alpine black w/ pompodour..he looks like Elvis) and Nutmeg(Oberhasli/Nubian) this morning. She's shaking her tail in his face and he's all over her...nickering, licking nibblin' .....I could make a movie and send it along for Norman.... ;)
     
  14. moosemaniac

    moosemaniac Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,662
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2003
    Location:
    North East, PA in Northwestern PA
    You need to set it to music...like that Cialis Commercial...

    Ruth