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My Granddog is having troubles

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My son left SC for NC because he was offered a job. He took my 6 yof granddog with him. He is living with friends who already have 4 dogs. The friend's dogs are a 6mof and a 5mom and two puppies, probably not much over 6 weeks old that they found wandering on the road.

My granddog Gwendolyn (who gets along fine with our cats btw) gets on fine with the little puppies. However she snaps at the older dogs, and they snap at her too. They are not at all friendly with each other.

Also Gwendolyn barks at every move the friends make. She'll accept treats from them, wagging her tail and growling at the same time. When they get off the couch to use the bathroom or get more treats, she barks like crazy at them.

It's only been two days, but my son is really afraid that this constant barking is going to wear thin soon.

Any ideas on what he can do to calm her down? She NEVER has growled at anyone in my house. She is truly a good dog. Stubborn, but a good dog.

TIA!

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My son left SC for NC because he was offered a job. He took my 6 yof granddog with him. He is living with friends who already have 4 dogs. The friend's dogs are a 6mof and a 5mom and two puppies, probably not much over 6 weeks old that they found wandering on the road.

My granddog Gwendolyn (who gets along fine with our cats btw) gets on fine with the little puppies.

I'm a professional Service Dog Trainer and have worked with dogs for 30 years. I'd like to offer my opinion. I say opinion because one can never get into the mind of a human, much less a dog. Gwen does not need to snap at the puppies as they pose no hierarchal or survival threat to her. It's like we, as adults, do not fear little children will hurt us (normally, Haha.) Secondly. The dog was plopped into a new pack. Wolves in the wild when coming upon a new pack or a member of another pack who is alone, will attack and kill it. Your dog, no matter how many years' domestication has taken place, has the same DNA as the wolf (scientists can't tell the difference and the only diff. in the name is wolves are canis lupis, dogs are canis lupis familiaris.) Gwen knows she's in a pack and she's not a member. She's showing bravado and pretending she's not afraid they'll gang up on her and kill her. They should (but not always) work it all out between themselves. The dogs who are already in the pack see her as a potential threat and the snapping back and forth is like rival gang members yelling at each other.......sorry for the bad comparison. If the pack does not accept Gwen, you will have to remove her for her own safety.

However she snaps at the older dogs, and they snap at her too. They are not at all friendly with each other.

Also Gwendolyn barks at every move the friends make.

The barking when anyone moves is both anxiety and a mild warning. She's not showing her teeth or posturing aggressively. She knows that humans are more dangerous when they're on the move and she's barking from anxiety. She wags her tail when she gets treats to show she likes the treats and growls to say "hey, I'm vulnerable here, so don't be using this food to entice me in and then clobber me." IMHO, all of her behaviors are fear based and if everyone, including the dogs, stay calm, you should see it diminish over time.

She'll accept treats from them, wagging her tail and growling at the same time. When they get off the couch to use the bathroom or get more treats, she barks like crazy at them.

It's only been two days, but my son is really afraid that this constant barking is going to wear thin soon.

If I took your son to Japan and plopped him in a new family, would two days be enough for him for feel comfortable? The dog can't either. I urge patience on his part and IMHO Gwen and the other pack will adjust.

It would have been better to introduce Gwen to the Alpha member (and there is one whether the humans know who it is) first, get the Alpha's acceptance and go from there, one dog at a time.

Never use punishment/pain on dogs (ever, IMO) but especially when stressed. It won't teach the dog anything other than humans can't be trusted or are threats and the anxious/aggressive behavior will escalate.

Good luck!
Karen

Any ideas on what he can do to calm her down? She NEVER has growled at anyone in my house. She is truly a good dog. Stubborn, but a good dog.

TIA!

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This advice is from the Pet Trainers Association of America....have the other people in the house carry ablolutely fantastic treats in their pockets...all of the time they are home. Find out the Grand dogs favorite, favorite thing and everytime she barks and "alerts" at them they are to throw her treats.

I hope no one takes my comments offensively, but I disagree with this advice for several reasons. I know the intent of the Pet Trainers Assoc. is to build an association for Gwen with people and treats therefore getting Gwen to think; people, treats, people are good. This is good, BUT, the advice that they should give her treats every time she alrm barks is incorrect. If you want to extinguish a behviors you must never reinforce it. In this case, you do NOT want the barking, so you would reinforce her when she IS NOT barking. To build a positive association between the people in the house the first step is simply to build a conditioned reinforcer, in this case, the word "good." No matter what the dog is doing, as long as she's not barking, say "Gwen, good!" then toss the treat. When she whips her head around every time you call her name, you have the basis for obedience work and the groundwork for positive associative reflex arcs in Gwen's brain where the new people are involved.

Also, when you train Gwen, it MUST be out of eye, ear and nose distance from the other animals. I've made this mistake with groups of service dogs. They do get jealous and they will carry on while the training is taking place. When you let them out of their crates, chaos tends to ensue as they investigate all the good things that happened to Gwen when they were locked in them.

ANother thing.......I learned this the hard way, place treats around the house for people to reach rather than on your person ESPECIALLY in a multi dog house. That way two things happen, you save yourself from being attacked by the pack for the treats in your pocket and the dogs can't anticipate when you will and will not reinforce their behavior. They will think you can make food appear anywhere and it makes it easier for training. as for the treats in the pocket, I was using a bait bag for treats when an English Staffordshire Terrior AKA pit bull and two Rotts "discovered" it. It was attached to my belt loop. The pit grabbed the back and began yanking me off the chair, then the Rotts helped him, then they began to bite each other over it. I never unbuckled my belt so quickly in my life, hahaha.

Good luck with Gwen. I hope I've been of some help. Karen
Every single time. They will have to do some controling of the other canines in the household(I would have crates for the puppies anyway..my dogs and every dog that visits have their own crates...or have them all on short lines.

I have found that my newest dogs favorite stuff is spiced pork and kept frozen until needed.She is extremely(or was)hostile towards other dogs.. but is ever so much better now. However she is a fussy eater so your Grandog might do just as well with dried liver or some such.

I think that Gwen is stressed, anxious, and unsure where the lines are. She's in a new situation and probably one where there is no clear leader in the group. And her anxieties are overpowering her. I guess it would be wasted breath on your part but some obedience exersizes or trick teaching with each dog in turn so each gets attention and treats all alone would help a lot, along with clear commands and lots of petting for each dog in turn.

Good luck, there are some good books out there for dealing with several dogs in a household where there is conflict. Maybe a good early xmas present? LOL

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I agree with the Karen Pryor books, also all of the books listed by the APDT (Association of Pet Dog Trainers) for the CPDT (Certified Pet Dog Trainer) test are excellent. Just type APDT into google and you'll find it. Also, it's hard to find, but a book called "Coercion and Its Fallout" by Murray Sidman explains (with scientific, quantified data) how punishment/pain affects learning and the "fallout" on the animal's behavior. I would also recommend a book by Sheila Booth (on Amazon) called Purely Positive Training. It's easy to read and compassionate to both human and dog. Good luck and if you need any help, just ask. It sounds like you have quite a few good dog trainers here.

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