I can't use the spring garden on the south side of the house because the neighbor's tall trees shade it as the sun travels south over the autuwmn-winter. So I will probably plant pots and put them on the North side of the house, that gets a lot of sun. I'm not sure how large a pot to use for winged beans and edible loofah. My other ordered seeds include yardlong bean, amaranth (japanese spinach) malabar spinach and japanese brocolli (looks like occidental brocolli to me!) Plus the standard pole beans. Can't wait!