Monsanto, just another business or evil incarnate?

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  1. seedspreader

    seedspreader AFKA ZealYouthGuy

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    I won't post links until we get into the discussion, but I would like to hear everyone's opinion of Monsanto. Are they just another business worried about profits or do they want control of the entire food supply/chain?

    What do you think about them and how does it affect what you are doing?

    Do you use roundup on anything? How about their seeds?

    What level of freedom do or should we enjoy on the "food front"? Does patented GM foods/animals inhibit freedom?
     
  2. rambler

    rambler Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I do not agree with the laws that say life forms can be patented. For this, and other reasons, I have not grown GM feedstocks. I obey the laws as they are here, but I do not morally agree with them.

    Monsanto is a capitalistic company doing it's think in a capitalistic society. Good for them, they are doing what they should be doing - business wise.

    That does not mean I like all that they are doing, with buying up other small seed companies.

    Confusing? :) Sure. They are doing good business for themselves, within the framework they exist in. Doesn't mean I like all parts of them or the framework, but it is what is delt to us, gotta work from there.

    Certainly never have felt they are an evil thing. Just another business, like any other. Most of my ag seed I buy from 2 brothers who grow their own brand of seed corn their dad developed over the past 50 years. For the past 10 years or so, they have been working with Monsanto, adding GM for those who want it, and keeping their own seed for others.

    Most midwest ag seed sold these days is protected with various licencing, patent, or other means. Been that way for a while. Corn has mostly all been hybred for what, 60 years, can't save the seed as it won't grow right anyhow. It's not a new concept to not save seed.....

    I will be a bit uneasy about GM when it hits animals. I'm not overly concerned about it on plants - so far as they have gone for now. Or, to this point I don't see that it's bothered anything with current controls. But, when it affects livestock - or humans - I will certainly rethink that.

    --->Paul
     

  3. heather

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    One of the big grants they do every year is called something like "making nutrition better through agriculture"
    I don't know exactly what all they do through the grant, but can you imagine how hypocritical that statement is coming from them?!
    Have you heard all of the terrible nutritional information coming out about our current crops??
    ugh

    And NO, I don't use Roundup
     
  4. Jeff54321

    Jeff54321 Well-Known Member

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    Evil incarnate. Without question.
     
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    As Rambler says, Monsanto is just doing business as its done here in
    the good 'ol USA. Sad that we have fallen so low that we all accept
    that. Has anyone heard of the case of the Canadian farmer that was
    sued by Monsanto? He was doing as you do Rambler, and growing his
    own seed and planting strictly non-GM. Well you can't control the
    wind and next thing you know your crop becomes contaminated by the
    GM. He didn't know this and just was planting his normal crop, when a
    Monsanto guy came by and tested his field. Found some GM plants and
    then they sued him. Contaminate his crop with GM pollen then sue him
    for patent infringement! Aint that rich?
    Thats the problem with GM crops. You can't grow it without infringing
    on your neighbors right to grow non-GM. At least with corn...
    james
     
  7. Quint

    Quint Well-Known Member

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    Monsanto is doing OK by me. I bought at 38 and it is at 57 last I checked. I sold about a third of it when it was at 69.

    I say Go Go Mon-San-To. Daddy needs a new tires on the truck and a new chicken house this spring.

    God Bless Capitalism.
     
  8. Jenn

    Jenn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Like many American businesses evil incarnate if that's best for the bottom line. Capitalism is a great business model just not a good government model. Let them do their thing but keep them from owning the congress that WE voted for.

    My bf' dh works for a tobacco company (chief exec in the town) and constantly argues with her (and me) about how it isn't immoral (he's a very staunch Christian) to work tehre. He just- at 40- took up chewing tobacco which his company sells. He denies that he had to start it to get the job and I think he's being honest- his caffeine (4 litres Mt Dew a day) wasn't enough to keep him going so he's added nicotine- and it's free from his co.

    I just wish companies would count workers and America as important to care for as their stockholders (and selves)
     
  9. gobug

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    I don't and won't use their products. I do not approve of their tactics.

    I can understand the survival impulse, but I think they are in too many politician's pockets, and too big to have a conscience.

    I liken their suits on small farmers and dairymen to the attitudes and actions of the big music companies when people don't pay for downloaded music.
     
  10. edcopp

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    :flame: Evil business, that wants to own all the occupants of the earth, for the almighty dollar. Owning the food chain is a good way to keep the slaves in order. They and their stockholders only want "all there is" at the expense of the slaves.

    What the heck? Everybody does it so it must be O.K. :1pig:

    General Electric, and Wal-Mart are a couple of other good examples of slavemasters of the planet. :help:

    Self sufficiency would stop them in their tracks. :)
     
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    They are a corporation, doing what corporations do.

    I garden organically, so I don't use their products.
     
  13. NativeRose

    NativeRose Texas Country Grandma

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    I deplore what they and others like them have done to us. I will never never use their products and believe we will reap what they are sowing in ways that will eventually cause starvation beyond belief.
     
  14. Ed K

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    It makes me very upset that instead of producing more or better food to feed the hungry millions (which is the supposed reason that genetic engineering is so good and necessary for us) A company makes a poison (roundup) and then uses genetic engineering to develop seeds that are resistant to the poison that would normally kill it. They then patent the seed genetics and sue farmers who save seed that "their" genetics may have drifted into their fields. (Thats the Percy Schmeiser vs. Monsanto story in Canada that someone else refered to)

    What have we lost in terms of health, productivity, nutrition etc about a plant just to gain the fact that it can resist a poison allowing less and less farmers to produce our food from less and less diverse genetics?
     
  15. pcdreams

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    ok bad pun but you get the drift.

    Monsato are the folks that brought us PCB, Dioxin, and Agent Orange to name a few.

    If that's not enough reason to hate them

    Their GMO seeds now include a "terminator gene" so the seed can not be saved for future use (becomes sterile).

    Monsato has brought law suits against farmers who (unbeknownst to them) cross pollinated their unmodified crops with GMO (through wind spread not hand polination).

    They created roundup.


    Now tell me they don't want a monopoly on the market.

    Let me sum up.

    Create environmental hazards
    Create GMOs with terminator genes (stops seed saving)
    create roundup (which kills anything EXCEPT their GMOs which are tolerant)
    sue farmers who (through no fault of their own) crossed with said GMOs


    Hmm sounds like they want control to me. If I were paronoid I might be inclined to think it was a government conspiracy.

    Another thing, they are genetically modifying these crops to withstand insects, plant diseases, etc. But if you know even a little about genetics you will see that these insects,diseases, etc mutate. This means that we could see mass devistation of crops once they have nothing left to modify it with. It may sound inplausable but think about what has happened with the antibiotics we have now. Now we have MRSA that nothing will touch. Its getting to be a frightnening world.

    Further I'd like to say that I think all the hormones, antibiotics, etc that are being pumped into our meat has caused many problems. I'm sure in the future we will see further detrimental effects.

    Currently I think that a lot of the problems we see with kids developing earlier (puberty) etc are caused by these hormones. I don't know but I believe perhaps some of the disorders are also caused by these. Things like ADHD, Autism, etc. Maybe not but I think its highly likely.
     
  16. pcdreams

    pcdreams Well-Known Member

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    There is a huge difference between GMO and hybridization. Specifically with hybridization you are only mixing genes of the same (unsure of correct term here) type of plant (corn for instance). With GMO an example would be mixing soybean with corn to reduce nitrogen depletion.

    Agreed.. Its comming
     
  17. mightybooboo

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    He's Evil
    Written by: Raymond Douglas Davies
    Published by: Davray Music Ltd.


    He comes on smooth, cool and kind,
    But he wants your body not your mind.
    He's got style, personality,
    But he's the devil in reality.
    He'll make you laugh, make you smile,
    And make you feel good for a while.
    Wicked smile, decadent grin,
    He likes school girls, nuns and virgins.
    His skin is soft but his mind is hard,
    He'll lead you on then he'll tear you apart.
    He'll treat you rough and he will make you cry,
    And you will kiss sweet innocence good-bye.
    And once you're in there'll be no getting out,
    So look out, look out, look out, look out.
    He's evil. He's evil. He's evil. He's evil. He's evil.
    He's evil. He's evil. He's evil. He's evil. He's evil.

    He's got wit he's got charm.
    But when he gets rough he'll break your arm.
    He's got taste, manners and grace,
    But when he gets tough he'll slit your face.
    He'll buy you jewels, expensive clothes,
    Then his mind'll go and he'll bust your nose.
    He's a joker and a clown
    But he'll pervert you and drag you down.
    He comes on smooth, cool and kind,
    But he wants your body not your mind,
    He is just the devil in disguise.
    He will drag you down and he will make you cry,
    And once you're in there will be no getting out.
    So look out, look out, look out.
    Look out, look out, look out.
    He's evil. He's evil. He's evil. He's evil. He's evil.
    He's evil. He's evil. He's evil. He's evil. He's evil.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Yup,thats Monsanto.Thank you Ray.

    BooBoo
     
  18. Ana Bluebird

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    Definitely evil, but then I've decided that most big businesses are the new, modern "devil". I hate to be chicken-little, but take a look at how things are going.
     
  19. pcwerk

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    Funny but I just got off the 'puter last night, and started reading the
    new issue (Oct./Nov.) of Mother Earth News and it has a one page
    article titled, "Hazards of the World's Most Common Herbicide". Good
    read if anyone's interested. I forgot about one aspect of it:

    "A group of scientists from the University of Caen in France found
    that human placental cells are very sensitive to the herbicide at
    concentrations lower than the agricultural use, and that it disrupts
    human sex hormones. The scientists concluded that the herbicide
    could 'induce reproduction problems' in humans."

    Btw, this is in line with the current concerns with a *worldwide* drop
    in sperm counts in ALL MAMMALS! Many think this is caused from
    the amount of chemicals/toxins in the environment. We truly may all
    be digging our own graves, so that some can get a good return on
    their stocks. Thanks for that!

    james
     
  20. mistletoad

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    Monsatan is one of the worst companies around. I'll buy that they are a business in a capitalist society, making a buck for the shareholder and all of that, but I don't believe for one minute that it is necessary for their bottom line to sue unwitting farmers after their crops become contaminated by GM crops. I do not believe it is ethical or responsible to sell licenses to grow basic foodstuffs and I am concerned that the GM crops could cause mutations in the insect population and weeds that make organic farms inoperable. Needless to say we don't buy their seeds, licences or poisons.
     
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