Milk drinking unnatural?

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  1. DJ in WA

    DJ in WA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My wife has a friend into 'natural' foods who refuses to eat/drink dairy, claiming it just isn't natural to consume milk from cows.

    So, my question is, what is the natural diet of humans? Whale blubber?

    Seems to me it's whatever we can get our hands on to survive.
     
  2. RoseGarden

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    If you followed that person's logic, I suppose it isn't 'natural' to eat something that came out of the dirt, either, ya? But I bet they scarf lots of healthy vegetables. :rolleyes: Anyway, in my opinion, as the saying from the movie goes... 'meat's meat and ya gotta eat'.
     

  3. thequeensblessing

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    What's natural for man? Well, I'd say that we have awesome brain power, naturally, and that brain power enables us to milk cows, crack eggs, refine cane into sugar and ferment juice into wine. I'd say that naturally speaking, we are designed to eat whatever we can produce.
     
  4. TexasArtist

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    Just what was her logic for it NOT being natural? I know most of them peta joinin' vege. chasers say that the milk has pus in it. I had a freind whos knew wife bragged about going to join a au natural communion until they went to the diary farm and she saw "pus" in the milk. Took me a few minutes to figure what she was talking about and I told her "That wasn't pus you dingus it's the cream seperating form the milk" She never would beleive me because 'she read something in a book once' :rolleyes:
     
  5. Christiaan

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    Given our physical powers, humankinds "natural" diet would be grubs, fruit and carrion. Nothing we do is "natural", we are all cultural constucts and what we eat is foremost among them.
     
  6. ozark_jewels

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    Milk....its the best!! :) Now, if she was referring to that chalky substance they sell at the grocery store labeled "milk"....yeah, I'd agree with her, that *is* unnatural!! :hobbyhors
     
  7. Jenn

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    Perhaps her point is that we stop drinking milk (from our mothers) at about 5 or 6 years old at the latest (extrapolated from weaning time of other primates and '3d world' cultures). So COW'S (or horse or camel or sheep) milk, only in our diet a short time relatively, could be called unnatural.
     
  8. Michee

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    The theory is non-human milk is for the animal of the same breed. So cow for calf etc. Meaning cow's milk is not designed for humans but instead for a calf to grow big quickly. Milk is also considered needed for babies but not adults. It's a choice......just like eating meat,being vegetarian or vegan. It is a health choice usually.

    The definition of a "natural foods diet" is avoidance of unnatural or refined, processed foods. So whole grain instead of white flour. Generally only fresh fruit and vegges not processed in any manner, like canning. Brown rice instead of white rice. If any meat at all, high quality, chemical free but still in very limited quantities. No refined sugars. No potato chips, etc.

    Seldom is this a survival choice as most people in the US aren't in that situation but instead can go to the market, not buy dairy but plenty of other foods.
     
  9. thequeensblessing

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    But that theory doesn't always hold true in nature, does it? I mean, I've personally seen mama animals suckle a baby of a different species. :shrug:
     
  10. KindredSpirit

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    Okay, this is what I was told by my daughter's nephrologist (kidney specialist) when she was little. My daughter, age four at the time, had blood in her urine and had to go to the kidney specialist for it. The regular doctor had ruled out tumors and any other causes and sent us on to the specialist. The first thing he did was ask me is she drank milk. Of course I told him yes, and he told me to completely take milk out of her diet for a month. He told me that the U.S. is one of the few countries where milk is consumed as a drink. I don't know if that is still true. He was from India, I think. He was right. After having our daughter off milk for a month, there was no longer blood in her urine. I know I have had trace amounts of blood in mine for years. I just didn't know why or worry about it. I personally don't think milk is unhealthy, but there are a lot of people who can't handle it.
     
  11. Michee

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    The use of the word 'theory' allows for that phenomona.
     
  12. Bob_W_in_NM

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    Well, this begs an answer from me. I seldom post here, but here it goes. I remember once another mother asked mine if her family were "big" milk drinkers.
    My mother replied, well yes they are. Whatever we may be short of I do not deprive my children of (cow's) milk. This was in the day when there were only "leaded" and "unleaded" (skim milk) available. No middle ground (1%, 2%). My mother said that "My boys are active and I encourage them to drink all the milk they want!" My mother's wisdom was the culmination of countless generations of mothers who knew how to raise and FEED families. I have this little bit of wisdom acquired as a result of my 52 years here. If mama said it was "OK", well it was and is. One of my younger Estonian friends was prescribed "reindeer milk"
    (piim), as a child, because of it's higher fat content. I don't listen to Indian doctors on this. I have my own knowledge!

    Bob @ Koolibri Rantšo
     
  13. homebirtha

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    I think what they mean is that humans are weaned from milk as children, and naturally, they would not drink milk again. Much like other animals. Normally, you don't see weaned, grown animals drinking milk from lactating animals in their herd, group, etc. The idea is that humans wouldn't do so either, in nature.

    I know a lot of people who are whole foods folks and they are adamant that milk is bad for humans, other then breastmilk. The wrong kind of fats to digest, too many allergens, etc. I tend to think a lot of people's problems with milk are related to the hormones, pasturization and homogenation that is done to modern milk. We do raw milk and have not had any problems though. To each their own, I suppose.
     
  14. townmouse

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    My dad is Native American, and like many people of non-European descent he is lactose intolerant. So are half of his children, and half of his grandchildren.

    It doesn't matter whose mama says that children need all the milk they want. It won't mean that I or my child can digest it! Cramping, bloating, diarrhea...not things you can live with OR ignore. We can't handle raw milk, either, or goat's milk.

    No milk for us, except of course the babies are all breastfed :)

    My mom's side of the family is German American, and have zero problems with dairy.
     
  15. omnicat

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    There is a cultural aspect to it. Many many other countries - milk is for growing children - not for adults, and it's a bit "weird" for adults to do so. Lactose intolerance may contribute to that.

    I've also heard that "Milk improves a poor diet, but degrades a good one".
     
  16. Bob_W_in_NM

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    Well, I guess there are always some that posess a "genetic defect". It may crop up once in awhile or be an ongoing thing.

    Bob @ Koolibri Rantšo
     
  17. seedspreader

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    This big german decent guy loves cheese, I am thankful I am not lactose intolerant.
     
  18. haypoint

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    Looks like everyone has an opinion on this topic. First, I'd have to add that one might get slanted information about beef and milk from a Hindu doctor. their views on cows are unique to this world.
    If we are not going to include milk as a part of what we have evolved with, we'd have to be fair and also exclude other foods that have been added to our diet over the past 3-4 thousand years. You'll be skipping all cultivated crops, including wheat and corn. I'll bet your cholesterol level will drop way down if you revert to hunting and gathering! A steady diet of roots and berries is natural, so get on it!
     
  19. fernando

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    There you go. Make a million by opening a chain of root and berry restaurants. I can just see Ponderosa and Longhorn and Outback going belly-up real quick.
     
  20. seedspreader

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    Hmmm, are you sure you didn't mean you and I would be bellying up to Ponderosa, Longhorn and Outback???