Love Animals.. Something To Chew On

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  1. KindredCanuck

    KindredCanuck In Remembrance

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    Here is something to chew on..


    The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

    Stuart Wilde

    June 2004


    Have you wondered if an animal has a soul and even an afterlife? My old teacher said that animals have group souls, one for each species or subspecies––akin to Jung’s idea of a collective subconscious for humans. My teacher also said that when a human comes into contact with an animal no matter how minimal that contact might be, it begins the formation of an individual soul for that animal.

    The animal exits the group-soul of its species to begin an individual soul of its own, with its own journey and personality and experiences, which are part animal in nature and part human as it interacts in day-to-day activities with its master or mistress. So by loving your family pet you create a soul for it. My teacher didn’t say what precisely happened to the animal’s soul once ya beloved pooch carks it for the great dog-box in the sky.

    The Bible says you can kill and eat anything. The men who wrote the Bible didn’t know about the human heart or the circulation of blood, in fact they knew very little about anything, and the writers of the Old Testament knew absolutely nothing about being nice to others, never mind animals. They were busy smiting the Philistines and stuff like that. They lived in a masculine, survivalist’s world of cruel, violent, self-obsessed people, so it is not surprising they didn’t respect animals.

    We tend to think animals are lower than us, but all the scientists in the world couldn’t design and operate a bumblebee’s wing. We can’t jump or run very fast, and we can’t carry vast weights like an ant can. We can’t see in the dark and we can’t fly except crammed in a noisy tube like sardines, which doesn’t count. Humans compared to animals are almost totally deaf, and we can’t smell a fart in an elevator by their standards.

    We are finite and separate, and neurotic, while the consciousness of an animal is at peace and eternal. We strive and go crazy to become more important. Animals rest and sleep and enjoy the company of each other. We think we have evolved upwards from animals but we have lost almost all of their qualities and abilities.

    We can make a bomb or carve a statue but it’s a statue to our importance, a power trip, none of it serves any real purpose. How do we know we have evolved upwards? If you judge us by warmth and kindness and inclusion, we are even more cruel and separatist than the people of Biblical times, who at least smote others while living in tribal units.

    Animals usually live in collectives; we live in the suburbs.

    We think animals don’t talk or communicate but that is just because we have become deaf listening to our own voice. My cat could talk. It had twelve distinct sounds, words it used, and two-dozen intonations of those sounds. When I opened the front door for it in the ****in’ rain at three in the morning, it had a two syllable, ‘thank-you’ type meow that had a ‘sorry’ intonation to it. If I opened the door in mid-afternoon the two syllables were still the same but the intonation was different. The cat could talk.

    The cat got sick. The vet said it wouldn’t last long and that for forty quid we could murder it, “You’ll save that in cat food over time,” she said, hoping for some quick money. The cat looked at me and meowed a meow of distress. I quickly declined the vet’s offer. The cat lived another fifteen months and died peacefully in the garden under our favorite tree.

    The idea that animals don’t have consciousness or that they don’t have a soul is rather crass. It shows a lack of consciousness. They talk, they have families, they feel things, they act individually or together to solve problems, they often care of their young as a tribal unit. They play, they travel, and medicate themselves when they get sick. They cry when others in the herd die, they know about us humans. Of course they have a soul, a very pristine one. We humans are only now attempting with the recent rise in consciousness to achieve the soul that animals have naturally.

    When I got through to the mirror world in August 2001 (see: An Awesome Journey), it was as if I was in the afterlife while still alive here on earth. In that dimension I saw loads of animals: dogs, cats, mice, horses, giraffes and two species of birds, an eagle and a robin. I was probably only looking at one small part of that vast world, maybe all animals are in there. I expect that is right.

    The consciousness of an animal is eternal because it lives outside an awareness of time, floating in a perpetual now, while a human’s consciousness is finite and in the awareness of time. Some humans believe in eternity but their eternity is elitist and self-aggrandizing. It has only a diffused, hazy outline to it, not much at all, for in truth our human soul is small and inconsequential. What eternity will people see when they cross over to the mirror world and the afterlife? I don’t know the answer to that.

    A human is judged by how he or she treats others not by what they have acquired or what accolades they got in this life. And societies are also judged in part on how they treat animals. Those societies that treat animals poorly have no long-term spiritual future. In the eternity of things, their mistreatment is indicative of their national-soul that is devolving to become ever more ghoulish.

    You don’t need to kill animals to survive and if you had to butcher the family pig for breakfast you’d think twice about bacon. Because you don’t see the misery and the sacrifice involved, one becomes insensitive to an animal’s pain––it’s a terrible sense of loss of companionship when you kill it. Not to mention the betrayal and the futile waste.

    Of course, animals have a soul and the fact they have no voice that we understand is like saying the men of the Kalahari are not human because their language includes a series of strange clicking sounds, or the Kogis are stupid because they sometimes speak silently.

    The most astonishing thing I learned from my journey was that the beings that control the evolution of this world and who can snuff us out at an instant, are not human. They are like nature spirits, part human, part animal. They are the evolved spirit of the forest, the heartbeat of the great herds, the sound of trickling water. They are the eternity of our world. We are not the eternity, and even though we have developed clever minds we have yet to comprehend that. We are lower than nature and the animals, a lot lower.

    For a grown human to be spiritually beautiful, he or she has to work hard to become that, and sustaining that spiritual beauty for any length of time is hard for we fall off balance very easily, yet nature is effortless in its effervescence and its beauty. It makes no exertion to be god-like. It is god in a Taoist way of things.

    In the Morph journey I went on, dogs appeared as guards and they followed us for three years, some of the time they walked out of the mirror world and they appeared here in 3-D. You have to imagine an etheric, ephemeral dog sitting outside your hotel room all night. I have seen hundreds of those guards dogs. They understand what is going on and they serve as they probably did while still alive.

    Are there animals in the after life? Yes. Are all the species represented? As said, I don’t know. I think so. All the animals that have been loved by us are in there, I imagine. Is it a crime to eat an animal? I’d say it is not, not in the normal sense of the word, we are excused by our lack of awareness. But it is sad, for it involves sacrifice and pain and you ingest that pain; it becomes yours. You can never hide what it says about you as a spiritual being. The bodies of those animals are all there, in the x-ray of your soul in their entirety, feathers, bones, fur, whatever, like Post-it notes that talk to God about who you are––how clunky you are.

    Where it may be a crime to kill animals is when you see those people that are behemoths of lard, three hundred pounds or more in weight, waddling through the parking lot at McDonalds. They are an affront to the godliness of the nature spirit and all things decent, for thousands of animals have gone down those podgy gullets for no reason at all. The people aren’t aware, they are comatose, but it doesn’t mean it’s right. And of course, being cruel to animals like cosmetic companies are in their testing of products is also an affront. Remember animals can think and hear. They know who you are, even if you are the smiling killer lulling them into a false sense of security.

    I’ve wondered if animals take vengeance against humans once we arrive in the afterlife, I don’t know, maybe not, but certainly the god-like nature spirits who run everything have had enough of our antics if the visions we have seen are to be relied on. There is a new world descending upon ours, one that is soft and feminine and caring, and that caring will be extended to the animal kingdoms over time. I am almost sure of that.

    When it is all over, there will be very few humans here on earth. The animals will inherit this world. It was always theirs, wasn’t it? I feel sorry for the animals it feels like we robbed them of their world and their tranquility.

    © Stuart Wilde 2004



    PS ... Psychologists in Leipzig have tested a Border collie called Rico who has learned two hundred words. He can understand whole phrases like "put the toy in the box". He correctly retrieved thirty-seven out of forty toys from a basket and he can retrieve a toy that has an unfamiliar name when placed amongst six others. He was shown toys and given their names and not allowed to see them again for one month and he could often identify the correct item when asked. The scientists say Rico's understanding of language is equivalent to a child three years old.

    (Source: Daily Express - London June 2004)

    KC~
     
  2. big rockpile

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    :rolleyes: Like I always say don't be playing with your food!!!

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  3. OUVickie

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    Good article KC!
    It's sad when I hear that any animal is on the endangered list or is now extinct, it makes me wonder what important lesson we've lost by it's passing. I guess I would be one of those "enviro-nuts", "tree huggers" or whatever the new word on the board is today. I really don't think we'll last long if we can't see that reflection in the mirror more clearly.
    I've always seen the personality of our pets and livestock. All you have to do is be still and observe. They all have their own way of doing things, some are funnier, clumsier than others. Some, like our horse, are way too smart sometimes - he has figured out how to open our gate, unless it's double latched! They truly amaze me and they even have a pecking order! Cracks me up to watch them, always seems to be someone "in charge" or at least thinks they are. Over the last week I've been watching a family of birds feeding their babies and communicating with each other - it's been great!

    The Native Americans include animals in all their creation myths. They are looked upon as Spiritual beings that help guide humans if they will only watch and listen. I was so intrigued by these myths, I've included them within a series of stories I wrote for an on-line class and posted on my website. I've learned so much by reading and comparing them to other creation stories. :p

    Life is a circle and every living thing is a part of the Sacred Hoop, you just need the desire to be a part of that and learn from Nature.
    It's pretty awesome when you take the time to just be quiet, watch and listen!

    BTW - in the Bible where it refers to "the lion shall lay with the lamb", I always took that to mean that animals would definitely be with us in the afterlife. :)
     
  4. Montana Mom

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    Reason #859 to lead a cruelty free and vegan lifestyle.
     
  5. big rockpile

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    I believe the things of this earth was put here for us to use and Animals know this.

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    pass the yankee a biscuit! hugs
     
  7. GeorgeK

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    Trees and other plants have souls too, and have probably an even more important part of the ecosystem. Archeologists have proven the polynesian empire based on Easter Island died (people, animals, plants) because the people cut down all the trees and became overpopulated, eventually when they had eaten everything else, they ate themselves). We are all, part of the planet. Have you ever sat down and calculated how many plants you killed when that bicuit was made? By eating seeds (grain for the flour, and yeast for the rising) you are killing the plant. How much forest was lost by the making of the road and the mega-mart, or the factories to get you your polyester pants. Our entire planet will go the way of easter island. The bottom line is we all kill something to eat. Save a tree and eat a pig. Don't abuse your animals, by eating more than you need, or by mistreating them with cramped pens, or isolation. Plant a forest, and avoid lawns and golf courses. Know the animals you are to eat, bless them and thank them, and protect them, and know that in their death, you have life. Do the butchering yourself, get the blood on your hands, to teach you and your children, everyday that you too are a part of this world.
     
  8. I agree with you George, we all have to "kill" something else to live. If it wasn't supposed to be that way it wouldn't. People amaze me when they talk of eternal souls and then either fear or have hang-ups about death, both of humans and animals. If animals have souls, why should we fear for their death? "Death" and "killing" are terms made up by humans to explain the unknown if there are eternal souls then there is no death. If the eternal soul will return to the begining after human and rabbit life ends, why are we all so worried. Cruelty is the issue, not consumption. Keeping cattle locked up in pens and being fed corn is cruel. The cattle does not live its natural life. If you stalk a moose and harvest it, that is nature at work. The predator prey relationship, the moose fulfills its earthly life browsing amongst its antural habitat and we can stay in touch with our roots, in that habitat!! All this going to the mall and having a soy-smoothie stuff is fine, just don't convince yourself that a vegan lifestyle is good for the animals. Man, having turned into an agricultural society is what caused our population to boom and wildspaces to bust. Now our change into an industrial society is making it worse for them. It is exactly this society that allows vegans to exist. In the wild vegans would be so defecient in B12, iron and so on, not to mention smaller and weaker from the lack of protein, they would not survive. Its not that I want to all go live in grass huts, just don't delude yourselves into thinking your are not being cruel when you turn a once majestic prarie into a giant soybean field. When forests are destroyed to plant crops, when insecticides poison the land. One final note, it is just like Man (the collective) to first place himself above animals and say he is the only important one and then now put himself and some animals above plants and say they are better. Every blade of grass is as important as any of us, if it were not why would it have been created?
     
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    I read the article until so much bunk and illogic accumulated that a Michael Moore movie seemed real by comparison. Had to stop or I was going to lose the ability to add, subtract, or form sentences.
     
  10. Jimmy Mack

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    not certain I understand the orginal article, but I think GerorgeK's response is excellent. Well said George!
     
  11. Jimmy Mack

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    and from unregistered, "Every blade of grass is as important as any of us, if it were not why would it have been created?"
     
  12. Surveyorwill

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    OK, I was going to be good, I was going to let this one pass but this guy took it to far. :mad: So, who is this Stuart Wilde, and where in the world does he get off? I think the bus should remove that stop from their route (after he gets off, of course). :p

    I agree, too many people take their food for granted, animal and vegetable. I agree animals being raised for food are treated less that humanely in the fast production style we have developed. I agree animals have intelligence and most likely a soul. However, the logic imposed as to why we should not eat them is where I must disagree.

    In my opinion, based on what I read, we cause suffering to animals and the animals’ soul when we kill them to eat them, please enlighten me if I got this wrong. So, based on this assumption, animals are elevated beyond us in their oneness with each other and the world and that they comprehend suffering. Now, when we apply these principles, on a spiritual level, animals are above us and we demean ourselves spiritually by killing and eating animals, right?

    The article went on about the intelligence of the author’s cat, so this intelligent animal with its comprehension of suffering and its advanced spirituality would never kill and eat a mouse or snake or bird, because that would cause suffering, and it would never play with the prey before it killed it right? But this may be a poor example because we humans would not eat a cat, so maybe it is different for the animals that we do eat, lets take a pig, what about a pig? Now, here is a highly intelligent animal and I believe this has been proven scientifically, if you go over to the Pig thread on this site there is a question posted by a woman, as to the possibility that one of her pigs might have killed and ate one of her chickens, the responses confirmed her fears pigs will kill and eat other animals, so much for the superior soul theory, animals will kill and eat you or anything else for the that matter, with no thought of the suffering they may have caused.

    But this is all commonsense (to rational people), and normally I would have just passed this dribble off as another person that had “looked in the eyes of a cow and seen the intelligence.” NO, this guy succeeded in going beyond that…

    :mad: :mad: :mad:

    What a prejudice, self-righteous, holeyer than thou… the words escape me. NOT all heavy people eat this way, I myself am not a heavy person, but I do know this is not true. This man has shown his own ignorance, bigotry, chauvinism, and prejudice nature in this statement alone. He plays upon the fears of the masses, that to kill and eat animals is to be akin to a fat person and they must be soulless people for eating so many animals, as if he's using societies concepts that if someone is not the picture perfect, skin and bones on the out side, it must mean ugly on the inside as well. Lets take one line out of that statement to sum this up, “They are an affront to the godliness of the nature spirit and all things decent,” How dare you say such things, Doesn’t God tell us not to judge others, so I will not judge only enlighten so that others may see the truth. I pray my only sins upon this world to be that of eating the bountiful plenty God has provided, but I know in truth I am not perfect and must answer for my sins, what about you?

    So all I have left to say is “Something to chew on” indeed!
     
  13. GeorgeK

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    He's just another bybroduct of our over industrialized and pampered society that allows people the luxury of not knowing where food comes from, and not having to really work that hard for it. The sort that thinks meat is grown in plastic wrap behind the grocery store.
     
  14. John_in_Houston

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    What a strange world-view that fellow has.

    He has a web site and it looks like enough people take his ideas seriously enough to buy his books.


    This line especially amuses me:

    ...if you had to butcher the family pig for breakfast you’d think twice about bacon.


    Now why would you have a 'family pig' unless you were going to butcher it?
     
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    What about animals like broilers that were bred by humans specifically to grow fast? They're going to die anyway, and it's our fault, so don't we have an obligation to kill them humanely before they suffer through the end stages and death of their short and pathetic existences?

    That's how I justify it... :rolleyes: I think about it a lot when I'm making barbecue sauce to accompany their perfectly grilled carcasses... :haha:
     
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    The way I see it we are at the top of the food chain. We use what we need to survive, and do it in the most humane way possible. If we don't control animal populations. Predators, disease, and starvation will. We have a responsibility to the plants and animals of this world as well as to ourselves and our children and our childrens children. Oh, I also believe that the Father Above put us at the head of that food chain for a reason !!!!!! George K. is right most people don't know where that milk comes from or the meat or even how that hamburger bun was made. We do need to protect our natural resources to the best of abilities. But the starting post is just ignorance running rampant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!My .02
     
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    Quote:"Now why would you have a 'family pig' unless you were going to butcher it?"

    That's a no-brainer, John. :) Hillary (our "family pig") exists primarily to raise more little pigs for the dinner table. :D :D :D

    You don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs!.
     
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    I Googled "Stuart Wilde" and went to a biography site. Read enough to learn he's a self-help and "human potential" guru. Also 60's T-Shirt entrepreneur and student/grad of some Psychic college. Interesting starting point for a discussion, but I have a hard time taking his "credentials" seriously.
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    Surveyorwill ............


    ................... BRAVO!!! :cool:
     
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    Chewed. Spit.

    Guess we need to start making the lions eat grass. Evil cats!