http://www.giltweasel.com/stuff/LightsOut-Current.pdf This book has a few homesteading themes, as well as a few survivalist themes. Have you read it? I can't remember who on this site sent me the link, but I am so grateful. I thought it was a good read for those rainy afternoons, like today, when I couldn't get out and do much. What did you think of it, if you have read it? I thought the author was on the money when s/he outlined why standing communities were stronger than just-thrown-together groups. I found it interesting that s/he made the survivalist group fail so miserably though. It would be nice to see a well thought out story that included a group of folks like some of the people on HT trying to make a go of it. On my first reading, I thought it kind of shallow to portray city gangs as simple-minded revenge-seeking hoodlums... but then I thought of the inner-city as I knew it and found that s/he wasn't quite off the mark. There are a lot of prideful people in gangs, and long-term effects of actions aren't usually thought out. The biker gang was kind of funny to me, although I can see how the bikes would be handy for bringing a lot of people from one place to another fast in a situation where cars just wouldn't cut it. I didn't want to give too much away for those of you who haven't read this book yet, so I'll reserve my more in depth opinions for when someone else joins in. If you haven't read it, I heartilly suggest it. I would love to hear your opinions.