Green Alien's post reminded me of our short stay in Sidney, Australia and how that drastically changed my way of thinking. Thought I would share some things to show what could be done in this country differently. At the local grocery store, there was no "Plastic or Paper?" Was not available. Everyone brought their own cloth bags for carrying their groceries. Australia recycles an enormous percentage of everything. So, canned goods at the store were all in Ball type glass jars. NO metal cans. Glass is recycled. Meat was all at a meat counter and packaged in paper. NO styrofoam. No plastic wrap Milk still in glass jars. Even McDonalds was served on a plate that you took back to the counter to be washed if it wasn't "to go". NO prepackaged foods. NO cake mixes etc. You had the choice of baking from scratch or go to one of the wonderful bakeries all over to buy fresh breads, cakes, pies, cookies, muffins etc. All clothing was made from cotton, linen, silk, or wool or a combo of these. Worn out clothing is purchased by the pound and then recycled into wonderful upholstery fabrics and rugs and carpets. Most all furniture is purchased to have slipcovers. All high quality meant to last a lifetime. No cheap throw away stuff here. Garbage cans everywhere had signs for "glass" "paper" "aluminum". Aluminum canned drinks had a 5 cent deposit that would be returned upon returning to a recycling station. They still had men out with brooms in the early mornings sweeping the streets and Sidney was the cleanest city I have ever been to. Amazing. They still repair appliances. This was not long ago and a 20 inch color TV was over $1000. They don't just throw stuff out and buy new like we do because it is cheaper for us. They think of us in terms of being "Peddlers" and that we make HUGE amounts of trash. The truth hurts. Just a different way of thinking and living and you start to get a grasp of how we consume 20% of the world's resources and yet make up only 5% of the world's population.