IEP meeting Tuesday

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  1. pickapeppa

    pickapeppa Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how everything is going to fit together, but we'll be ready with that disappearing ink.

    Anyway, I've been told that if any new information or tests results show increased needs that we can call a staff meeting at any time.

    Already they're refusing to do a central auditory processing test, saying that it's medical and they don't test for that. But a co-worker of mine shared that her son has a capd, the school tested for it without her even having to ask.

    The insurance company won't cover the test saying that it's 'developmental'. The audiologist wants $600 up front before he will do the test.

    The psychologist and speech therapist we consulted with privately, both strongly recommended he have the capd testing. They feel that it's the central issue. But the psychologist said having the test done wouldn't change his recommendations much, but would allow the speech therapist to fine tune her strategies.

    We are now looking for an advocate to come with us on Tuesday.
     
  2. RachAnn in NW Okla

    RachAnn in NW Okla Well-Known Member

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    Hi~

    --Oklahoma Special Ed Teacher here--

    1. if the school wants this testing done, then the school must pay for it.
    2. if you want this testing done then it is your responsibility to convince the school it is needed or pay for the testing yourself.

    we just recommended some kids to a vision specialist...had the parents asked the school to pay for it then we would have had to do so...(I was not the referring teacher nor did I know about it until the appts were made--we did get a substantial discount for them)

    I will do some checking to see if your state requires the testing be done for an eval....if so then the school WILL do it (have to)

    for Oklahoma for a learning disability we have to do

    cognitive/intellectual
    classroom observation
    Perceptual/Processing
    Academic Achievement
    Adaptive Behavior
    sociocultural background

    yes my psychometrist does the P/P testing

    Rachel
     

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    FiddleKat Mother,Artist, Author Supporter

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    Rachel,
    Ever thinking of starting your own website?
    You have a wealth of information that us parents would just love!
     
  4. pickapeppa

    pickapeppa Well-Known Member

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    Are you familiar with this capd at all? How much impact would there be for having/not having the test and the strategies used by the speech therapists?

    So far, it sounds like the private psychologist we used will be recommending speech, ot, pragmatic language and social skills with the social worker, and classroom accomodations.

    And, it also sounds like the school will only be recommending pragmatic language and social skills with the social worker.

    The psychologist we used didn't want to share his cognitive test scores with the school without first seeing the achievement test scores done by the school. The school said they hadn't done them yet. They were waiting for the private psychologists cognitive test scores so they could incorporate that into the IEP, or supplement his testing.

    The private psych thought this was a load of horse hockey, and wouldn't release the results directly to them. The Spec ed coordinator got angry over this and refused to release any of their test data before the staffing next week.

    She called Tuesday asking for the report. I told her we hadn't received it yet. She said they would schedule the staffing without the information. I met with the school psychologist this morrning for a parent questionaire, and he informed me the meeting was set for next Tuesday and had we received notice of that yet? He told me the letter was mailed yesterday.

    Well, that's local, and we haven't received the letter yet. If I hadn't met with him, I wouldn't have even known the meeting was scheduled that soon.

    Should we, or should we not bring in an advocate? What could they do for us? I just wish we could go about this process without the suspicion, secrecy, legal worries, etc. It all seems so . . . covert. It seems like court. You don't want the other side to know what you're doing until you get there. It's like a legal battle.

    Is it always like this?
     
  5. RachAnn in NW Okla

    RachAnn in NW Okla Well-Known Member

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    Are you familiar with this capd at all?
    No I am not...I have just been teaching 3 years now...most of mine are labeled "Specific Learning Disability"....I would have to do a bunch of research to figure out what direction I would go with your particular child

    How much impact would there be for having/not having the test and the strategies used by the speech therapists?
    I think it is very important to have a comprehensive battery of tests...typically done at the same time...our psychologist does a Woodcock Johnson III Cognitive and a Woodcock Johnson III Academic Achievement...this touches on processing but if we think that processing may be an issue she also does a separate test....I cant think of the name....maybe a Bender Gestalt...any information on what you have been doing or results you have gotten need to be addressed

    So far, it sounds like the private psychologist we used will be recommending speech, ot, pragmatic language and social skills with the social worker, and classroom accomodations.
    If it was private psych recommendations and the school doesnt want to follow it I dont know that they have to (if it isnt discussed and put in the IEP)
    Also your private Psych should be at the meeting or at BARE minimum write a summary explaining his findings


    And, it also sounds like the school will only be recommending pragmatic language and social skills with the social worker.

    The psychologist we used didn't want to share his cognitive test scores with the school without first seeing the achievement test scores done by the school. The school said they hadn't done them yet. They were waiting for the private psychologists cognitive test scores so they could incorporate that into the IEP, or supplement his testing. The private psych thought this was a load of horse hockey, and wouldn't release the results directly to them. The Spec ed coordinator got angry over this and refused to release any of their test data before the staffing next week.
    Both sound like they are on a bit of a power trip....I'll show you mine if you show me yours first....YOU should have a copy of everything that is pertinent to your child and then YOU can chose to share them

    She called Tuesday asking for the report. I told her we hadn't received it yet. She said they would schedule the staffing without the information. I met with the school psychologist this morrning for a parent questionaire, and he informed me the meeting was set for next Tuesday and had we received notice of that yet? He told me the letter was mailed yesterday. Well, that's local, and we haven't received the letter yet. If I hadn't met with him, I wouldn't have even known the meeting was scheduled that soon.
    That has happened to me too....the parents recieve Notification of Meeting the afternoon after we had the meeting....this is why I always call the parents for a good time to have a meeting so that they arent surprised by the bluntness of "I scheduled a meeting at this time on this date and you need to be there"

    Should we, or should we not bring in an advocate?
    An advocate could help you get what you need but be forewarned that it puts the school on the defense very quickly...and may make them not to work with you...you may be better off knowing what your rights are (in OKLA we have to give the parents a copy of their Parents Rights and explain anything that they dont understand----ours are found at http://se.sde.state.ok.us/ses/documents_and_forms/DraftForms.html )

    What could they do for us? I just wish we could go about this process without the suspicion, secrecy, legal worries, etc. It all seems so . . . covert. It seems like court. You don't want the other side to know what you're doing until you get there. It's like a legal battle.

    Is it always like this?
    No it is not always like this....I have only had 1 parent with outrageous demands such as "daughter must be allowed to have her makeup in class and can get it out of her bag whenever she needs to"....She tape recorded the meetings....had sued a previous school district and because of this the very 1st meeting we had was attended by both the superintendent and principal both sporting power ties, the school's attorney with a tape recorder, the school counselor, the head of the Special education department, myself, and the mom with the taperecorder

    what state are you in? I can peruse the State Dept of Ed website for your state and find just what you are entitled to.....
    this is all I have time for right now....I have an IEP to write for tomorrow morning's meeting


    Rachel
     
  6. pickapeppa

    pickapeppa Well-Known Member

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    We are in Illinois. Thanks for your valuable input. This is our first time with this. Our son definitely has some issues, and for the last two years the school hasn't been addressing them adequately. He needs st, but the st's don't have any idea what to do about his problems. He needs someone who specializes, and apparently the st at the school doesn't have the appropriate training.

    I have spoken with a private st that specializes in asd's, and she said there are things that can be done.
     
  7. vonettrich

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    It's not accurate to say that if the school doesn't want the testing done, it's the parent's responsibility to either convince them or pay for it themselves. If the school won't include it in the IEP, the parents should go forward with a Due Process hearing. Considering the fact that the psych. and speech therapist recommended it, it's not unreasonable to believe they'll be successful at the DP level.
     
  8. RachAnn in NW Okla

    RachAnn in NW Okla Well-Known Member

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    You are correct about the Due Process....I feel that Due Process is a step in convincing the other party that you want something done. If you have told them why you want the testing done and have your 'research' backing up why you feel that the testing needs to be done and incorpotated into the IEP and they still refuse then YES by all means start Due process!

    More later....the bell just rang....during 6th period I should be able to post more!

    Rachel
     
  9. SherryR

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    I dont know about Illinois, but here, we can call an iep any time we feel the need. You MUST be notified if there is an iep. YES bring as many folks that will fit in the room. Have you visited with the head of special needs dept?

    Does he know or care about all this grandstanding? (probably does, but try anyway) Email the superintendant of schools, they're supposed to know what's going on. Maybe if you set a fire under some folks, instead of trying to be good parents and run around stand up and yell, accuse, shout, threaten, write letters, find out the head of all the associations that are in your state that have anything to do with anything your child needs help with. Go ahead. Who cares if they like it or not? They must toe the line. Call the disability rights center in your state. If your kid is handicapped, they are discriminating against him and that's a crime.
    Good luck, hurry, make noise, yell into some corners, wake folks up. I'm sorry you're dealing with lame sacks of flesh instead of real people.
    Sherry
     
  10. RachAnn in NW Okla

    RachAnn in NW Okla Well-Known Member

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    I know that this post is VERY long and I am sorry....the parents rights pages had 83 pages of info that I waded through.....

    From Illinois Parent's Rights


    Please look at http://www.isbe.net/spec-ed/pdfs/parent_guide_english.pdf
    Page 70......and Definitely page 71

    I also found-----"""Upon request, your school district will provide you with local information regarding free or low-cost legal services.""" on Pg 78

    BTW these were the Adobe Acrobat page numbers....not the ones that show on the pages if they were printed!!!!!!

    Rachel
     
  11. pickapeppa

    pickapeppa Well-Known Member

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    Wow! Thank you Rachael. Those passages were very helpful. As you said, this thing is very long. I've tried to wade through it more than three times, and the brain becomes mush very quickly in that booklet. I should have that thing memorized by now, but, I guess this is why people hire lawyers and advocates to get through this.

    At least I have a clearer idea of what we need to do to prepare for this thing.