I saw the thread about next years garden and it got me thinking....Next year will be my first real garden, although growing up I had huge gardens with grandma in the country. In fact, we didn't even use a hose, we had a pump and filled 5 gallon buckets and then dipped a small container to water plants. Last year I just grew a few things, nothing big....but this year....even though I'm on a city lot, I have grand plans. In fact, I informed dbf, he may not have to complain about cutting all our grass next year, b/c it'll all be planted..... Anyhoo....in planning what to plant, I'm just curious what others do. For instance w/tomatoes - I want to can, freeze, juice and have enough for the whole year. So, how many plants does that equal? (I'm Italian, so tomatoes are the most used garden food). With beets, we want to have 4 beets/wk, which I'm thinking is over 200, but to account for failures, how many should I plant..... Just curious how everyone figures this out. Thanks bunches!