I have a doe (Maggie) who I really thought would kid last night. I put her in the kidding pen at 7pm - she had NO ligaments at that point and her udder had filled up. I checked on her every hour during the night. NOTHING happening. :flame: No contractions, no distress. Just chewing her cud and happy for the hourly visits. This is her third kidding on our farm. First: tangled up triplets that I had to rearrange. But, she was pushing HARD and yelling her distress, so I knew I had to do something that time. It was my first kidding season and I had read everything I could so I was able to figure it out. The outcome was 3 healthy kids, and Maggie was fine. Second: last year she had twins with no help and all was fine, but her twin sister Mattie had a HUGE buckling that killed her. Mattie's uterus tore and the vet couldnt save her. I helped the vet do a c-section on her and we pulled out the dead kid, but she was so torn up that he had to put her out of her misery. Third: this year. No ligaments and no contractions for 12 hours. How long would you wait before going in and checking things out? I always waited until it was obvious they needed help, but that was not soon enough for Mattie and I dont want to lost Maggie too!