Hospital patient discharged dressed only in gown and socks

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  1. oneraddad

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    Grouping New Yorkers is no different then grouping anybody else. There's (messed) up women, blacks, men, whites, Christians, republicans and democrates, etc.... There's idiots everywhere
     
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  2. Irish Pixie

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  3. Michael W. Smith

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    I'm sure there is more to this story.
    Do I dare ask where the family was when the daughter was taken outside and left at the bus stop?

    Is the family involved in the daughter's care - or is she out on her own?
    Is the daughter to be taking medication for the bipolar disorder? Is she or was she taking it?

    I know many times people go off their meds - (because they don't "need" them anymore or are feeling "fine") - and there really isn't anything anybody can do about it.

    I'm not saying it's something that should have happened. It certainly shouldn't have.

    But was the family involved?
     
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    Article about the family's involvement.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/1...patients-mom-says-was-mocked-by-security.html
     
  5. haypoint

    haypoint Unpaid, Volunteer Devil's Advocate Supporter

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    Does anyone believe it is normal procedure for three security officers to wheel a woman, dressed only in socks and gown, to a bus stop and drop her off? Me either. Something "special" happened that lead to this incident. We will not hear the details.

    Is it normal for the mental facility, Pathways, to kick out residents for medication non-compliance? Do they shoulder some blame in this? Parents of this 22 year old lose contact for a month and they don't get a share of the blame for this woman's plight?

    Is this just one of thousands of cases that had society not forced the closure of mental institutions and forced medication compliance would not have happened. If personal freedom of the mentally ill supersedes forced professional care, these situations will continue.
     
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    It's apparently normal enough they had to pass a law.

    Yea I can believe anything about mans inhumanity to man.
     
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    Your solution for treating medically non-compliant people?
     
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    Turning them out in slippers and hospital gown ain't it.

    I'm sure every state has a protocol that is supposed to be used in these cases, it might even work if it's used.

    Are you suggesting that the methods used are the proper ones?
     
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    Not at all. Just far easier to complain. Out in the real world, pure solutions are rare. Everything is a compromise and there isn't a solution for everything. People want the mentally ill protected, off the street and receiving medication to control the sickness. But few want them locked up. So, they have free reign to wonder the streets, check into an ER, refuse treatment and get released. Do we authorize hospitals to force dress them? Is the hospital required to find them a place to sleep after release? It is a mish mash of personal rights, social assistances and zero accountability. I'm fine with State Hospitals for the mentally ill, with forced medication and working them as abilities allow to reduce costs. Sort of a step back 50 years. You good with that?
     
  10. Yvonne's hubby

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    That was better than we have now. I'm thinking more along the lines of state run dorms and food kitchens being made available to all of our homeless. Folks need help, not being tossed out in the cold, hungry, poorly dressed and no way to improve their situation.
     
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    Some of you think people with mental problems can live a functioning life if they just take their medicine, you couldn't be more wrong.
     
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    Many can and do. Medications were found to be so effective that it led to the closing of most mental institutions and the establishment of group homes.
    However, we, as a society, never dealt with medical non-compliance.
    In Detroit, Salvation Army operates "Bed and Bread" delivering 3000 meals daily and providing 300 beds in their shelter. Seems like those that get the meals are more lazy than hungry. Lots of boots, gloves and coat programs. But in last week's cold snap, 4 people froze to death.

    At what point do we, as a society, pull people off the street, medicate, wash, clothe and keep safe, with out regard to their wishes? If we afford everyone their freedom, there will be tragedies and remedies will often times be costly.

    We know little about what led up to three security officers wheeling this woman to a bus stop. We don't know if she refused to get dressed or if the hospital can forcibly dress her. We don't know what other options were available to the hospital. Does it take a court order to lock her up in a mental hospital? Should the hospital house her there until a court can determine her competency? Who pays for that. Can the hospital force her to stay?

    I just see a lot of gray area between the woman's freedoms, the hospitals authority and the hospitals role in solving society's social troubles.

    Maybe next time you are released from the hospital, refuse to get dressed and refuse to leave and you, too, may experience health care's "bum rush".
     
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    A disoriented and incoherent patient, in most cases, can't be deemed non-compliant, there's an issue of competency.
     
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    You're right, state psychiatric facilities are full of people that can never function outside a controlled environment, even medicated. But there are many can live functioning lives with proper treatment and follow up care, a lot depends on the diagnosis and the person's willingness to follow treatment.
     
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    It wasn't society that started closing psychiatric centers in the 1980s.
     
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    Sure it was.
    Society in general demanded the closing of mental hospitals and "mainstreaming" patients, often in group homes. Elected officials complied by turning off the funds that went to mental hospitals.
    All this was possible due to the effectiveness of several new psychotropic drugs.
     
  17. Yvonne's hubby

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    Society is "we the people", we the people are the ones responsible for those centers being closed down. We are also ultimately responsible for patients being dumped on the streets in hospital gowns.
     
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    The rub is when the diagnosis changes and medical compliance changes. Bi-polar disorders are the worst. Medication compliancy good while in depressive state, poor while in manic state.
    Who gets to pick who gets locked in an institution and who gets placed in a group home and who can walk the streets at will? Who monitors this? Daily, weekly or monthly? Who pays for this monitoring? Do all mentally ill get a monitor? Who decides?
     
  19. Yvonne's hubby

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    thats an easy one.
    Nurse Ratchet!
     
  20. Irish Pixie

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    Nope, there was a huge push in the 70s to regulate psychiatric centers, and many desperately needed it, but the emptying part happened in California in the 80s. It "saved" so much money for state government, that it was implemented across the country very quickly.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all