In August, I decided to see if I could make my own elderberry extract or tincture. I was also wanting to make a liquid stevia extract with some ground stevia leaves. So I got a very large, dark blue bottle of Russian vodka, poured half of it into another bottle and added the stevia, and poured the rest into a bowl over a pound or two of elderberry. I added some Succanat , then set it aside. Although I did shake it once-twice a day. Starting late last night, I began finishing it off. It still had an unsavory edge to it, so I poured it into a crockpot (remains of berries and all), added some cinnamon and simmered it overnight. Today, I put it through a hand cranked food mill, got all the liquoer out, poured the berries back in the crockpot and simmered them with water most of the day and evening. I combined the whole thing a little while ago, and just sat down to drink a bit. !!! It's still pretty stout --- !!! --- but it's not bad. Maybe by next year, I'll have the process down pat.