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I've been wondering about that. The source(s) where I learned about the fructose said the same thing and I've been trying to corroborate it with what I see in the stores.

Lets face it, McDonald's is expensive. Beyond the basic price of the food, there's also tax.

But have you seen the price of those sugar rich cereals? Wow! Three and four dollars for a small box. A box of cookies at three bucks. And it doesn't go far.

Now a gallon of whole milk is around $2.50 -$3 or so and there's plenty of protein and fat there. Chicken is usually pretty cheap when it goes on sale, in fact, its so cheap its tough to raise and slaughter your own for cheaper.
And eggs? Wow, packed with protein and fat and cheap cheap cheap.

It makes me wonder if the high sugar diet we see in the poor sectors are the result of misplaced priorities (or complete lack of), or poor education (no surprise there), maybe laziness (not wanting to spend time cooking), or if it really is rooted in the money, which doesn't seem to make sense to me.

I don't have the answer on this but it is something I have wondered about. I have found our (my) diet to be a lot cheaper than buying all that junk food and certainly much cheaper than fast food.
Expensive is relative. MC Donalds may be "expensive". But it's packed full of calories.

For instance a cheese burger happy meal is 550 kcals for all of 3 bucks.

Burgers are the same. You can easily get in excess of 1200 calories in an Quarter pounder meal for 6 and change.
 

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Sugar studies are probably funded by the manufacturers of artificial sweeteners.

Look into Ancel Keys... He had an agenda for promoting the eating of sugar and carbs. The food pyramid was made up by a congressional aid that was a vegan. The evidence is actually getting out after years of blocking it by corporate interests like Kellogg's and Post.

It really is funny if you look into the history of these things.
 

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I could say the same thing about the paranoia over sugar. :D I know you claim scientific research & such, but most research is paid for by someone that has something to gain by saying it's bad for you. Just a thought.
Like getting more grant money. LOL
They do not care if things are true or factual, or even overblown as long as the left is finding them they will go on.
 

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Sugar studies are probably funded by the manufacturers of artificial sweeteners.
Interesting, and a valid consideration.

Debunked however, my source for learning about Fructose says the artificial stuff is almost just as bad, albiet for a different reason.

My source? Dr. Robert Lustig, University of California SF, pediatric specialist who was doing research trying to figure out why we have an epidemic of obese 6 month old babies.

Check out the Baby Formula, second ingredient is sugar!
 

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Like getting more grant money. LOL
They do not care if things are true or factual, or even overblown as long as the left is finding them they will go on.
Well, there's truth to what you say, no doubt about it.

But it would be exceptionally difficult and almost impossible to get me to fall for that stuff.

What you are describing is paid opinions or advertisements that pretend to use science on their side to prove a product or to disgrace a product. Those strategies are highly effective for people who have little or no scientific background or knowledge. Lets face it, that's most of the population unfortunately.

But to fool someone like me using flawed science or biased science would be pretty darn tough. Not saying it couldn't be done, I'm saying it isn't done because it isn't economical and isn't usually needed to achieve corporate goals.

If we were talking about something to do with art or history, or psychology or something, you might be able to pull the wool over my eyes if you played your cards right. But with science? I'm good with that stuff and always have been, its going to be much harder.

The fructose thing isn't about selling a product. The statistical evidence is there and the scientific tracks are there to back up what we see in our every day experiences. And to top that all off, the experimental real world evidence is there, and I'm here as part of it.

I am obese by any standard and I learned this stuff in my efforts to figure out why I couldn't control my weight. I cut out all fructose but did not make any other diet changes. I am losing about 1 to 1.25 pounds per week steadily. All I did was cut out the fructose. My blood pressure dropped and I'm waiting to see what's happening with my blood work.

The tinfoil hat thing has its moments but this isn't one of them.
 

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Expensive is relative. MC Donalds may be "expensive". But it's packed full of calories.

For instance a cheese burger happy meal is 550 kcals for all of 3 bucks.

Burgers are the same. You can easily get in excess of 1200 calories in an Quarter pounder meal for 6 and change.
I find those numbers to be quite poor actually. Go buy a dozen fresh eggs from the store and add up how many high quality calories are in them and how much you paid.

Now compare that to McDonald's and you'll see a pretty big gap.

I still don't see the connection between money and poor quality food. I see it as convenience and poor food. They're not doing it because its cheap, they're doing it because its easy.

But I would still love to be proved wrong on this, sincerely so. But I don't think I am.
 

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In my research to figure out why I was gaining weight uncontrollably,
Ah Ha, the crux of the matter, just as my daughter had predicted...:D It's a personal thing, Again everyone's body chemistry is different, what is fine for you may not be the same for someone else, It is fine to say this works for me but don't preach like it is the God given truth for everyone else.
 

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Ah Ha, the crux of the matter, just as my daughter had predicted...:D It's a personal thing, Again everyone's body chemistry is different, what is fine for you may not be the same for someone else, It is fine to say this works for me but don't preach like it is the God given truth for everyone else.
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Ah Ha, the crux of the matter, just as my daughter had predicted...:D It's a personal thing,
Its always a personal thing, when is it not personal in some way?
I predict the sun will shine tomorrow. Lets see how insightful I am when you get up in the morning. :facepalm:

Again everyone's body chemistry is different, what is fine for you may not be the same for someone else, It is fine to say this works for me but don't preach like it is the God given truth for everyone else.
That argument is a fallacy. If one puts a shotgun in their mouth and pulls the trigger, they will die. Do you think there is anyone who that wouldn't work for? So, all the same then yes?

Do you think there is anyone who can breath CO and not be harmed?

Do not confuse the variable person to person effects and effectiveness of medications with those of toxins.

Toxins are universal, medications are not.

Fructose is a toxin. Its a toxin for me, its a toxin for you, its a toxin for your daughter too.
While it is true that some people will measure their reaction to it differently as the effects vary from person to person, like almost any other toxin, that doesn't change the hard science.

Its like the person who spouts off that smoking cigarettes isn't harmful because everyone is different and their grandpa has been smoking for 50 years and is still alive at 99 years old.
Does that mean smoking is not harmful? Of course not. It would be foolish to think that.

Same with fructose. Fructose will absolutely do you harm. Its weight gain for me, for others its liver failure or cardiovascular issues, some get diabetes from it, others get more than one symptom and some get all of them, and the list is long.

So ya, in that respect it is different from person to person, but that doesn't change the fact that it is toxic and doing harm.

Oh, and one other small tidbit. Since we cut fructose, my wife, who is thin by nature, is also losing weight and when some close friends hear me talk about it and watched the video, they cut the fructose and are also losing weight.
That's 4 and counting! :thumb:
 

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I find those numbers to be quite poor actually. Go buy a dozen fresh eggs from the store and add up how many high quality calories are in them and how much you paid.

Now compare that to McDonald's and you'll see a pretty big gap.

I still don't see the connection between money and poor quality food. I see it as convenience and poor food. They're not doing it because its cheap, they're doing it because its easy.

But I would still love to be proved wrong on this, sincerely so. But I don't think I am.
Your not comparing the same things. the Mc donalds food is much cheaper than a plate of fried eggs at a diner or restaurant calorie wise.

Are you poor or do you know poor people? It seems strange to me that you wouldn't know how poor people eat.

here is a cheap meal for a family of 4 it will contain about 950 kcals for each plate. Cost is about 10 dollars.

0ne pound of pasta
1 pound ground beef
1 can crushed tomato
2 cans paste
1 1/2 teaspoon of seasoning.
1/4 cup of grated parm. cheese to spread on top

If little Johnny is hungry is momma going to make more meat or pasta? Adding an additional pound of pasta costs a dollar. and ups the kcals by 50%. ;)


Also things like mac and cheese and meat loaf, tube steaks with French fries, steak-umms with Velveeta on bread with tater tots. They are all cheap at home meals and contain about 1000 kcals for a few dollars per person.

p.s. at home for breakfast if your poor you have eggs, fried potatoes, a piece or two of bacon, and toast. Easy 500kCals and cheap like a 1.50 a plate.
 

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My source? Dr. Robert Lustig, University of California SF,
http://chriskresser.com/ask-chris-is-fructose-really-that-bad

Apparently from this article Dr. Lustig has done bad science. If you want your already thin wife to waste away that is up to you and her. Again what works for some may not be right for everyone. I would rather my wife had a healthy weight than grow thinner. Ok I had better stop jabbing the hornets nest I should leave them at peace. :)
 

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I posted that before he has been debunked. And now lets just leave this one and go on to something different no sense beating this dead horse once again. Like I posted the very first thing., here We Go Again. Nobody once to be preached at day and night without any compromise just one is right and the rest are wrong. That is not the world works.
 

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My source? Dr. Robert Lustig, University of California SF, pediatric specialist who was doing research trying to figure out why we have an epidemic of obese 6 month old babies.
And how many people raised their kids according to what Dr Spock said & look how they turned out! Not every Dr is one that you should listen too.
 

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http://chriskresser.com/ask-chris-is-fructose-really-that-bad

Apparently from this article Dr. Lustig has done bad science. If you want your already thin wife to waste away that is up to you and her. Again what works for some may not be right for everyone. I would rather my wife had a healthy weight than grow thinner. Ok I had better stop jabbing the hornets nest I should leave them at peace. :)
Apparently you didn't read the article or perhaps misread it.

It just backs up what I'm saying almost 100%.

Kresser is not a medical researcher, he's not even a doctor! All he's doing in reading the work of others and selectively handing out the information.
In doing so, he's basically backing up what Lustig has said and then trying to discredit Lustig in the same sentence!! :facepalm: I think that kind of makes him look a bit silly. Oh looky - He has a store to sell products!!!!

Additionally, some important things he said in that article are misleading. Lustig did do research on Mice, but Kresser doesn't say that Lustig also did real world trials with people, and with great success. That's a convenient omission to bolster one's own authoritative persona.

If you want to dispute what I am saying, find a reputable research doctor with similar experience in the field.
 

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And how many people raised their kids according to what Dr Spock said & look how they turned out! Not every Dr is one that you should listen too.
:facepalm: yup, none of us should believe those doctors, scientist and researchers who say smoking is bad for you.......... There is no concrete evidence that its harmful.

I've given you the science, provided real world personal feedback, I am selling nothing, and I've even been penalized with "infraction points" trying to get the information out to you while fighting the conspiracy tin-hat crowd.

Go right ahead and dismiss the science if you wish. I know there are folks who would rather pick up a bible and pray for their health and that's perfectly fine with me.

May you be blessed with the results of your actions.
 

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What is curious is the poorer you are the more likely you are to be fat.

Because hi carb empty calorie food is cheapest.
I don't find that curious at all. And the high carb/empty calorie food isn't even what most people would consider "junk food." If you are poor and trying to make your dollar stretch at the grocery store you are probably buying a lot of rice, potatoes and pasta. They fill bellies cheaply, but are not good for you.
 

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:facepalm: yup, none of us should believe those doctors, scientist and researchers who say smoking is bad for you.......... There is no concrete evidence that its harmful.
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This thread has drifted into the ridiculous... You can find information on the internet to support, or deny, anything. To believe something simply because you read it, or can find a link, is just foolish.

Most medical information is peer reviewed, which doesn't mean it isn't biased, but it does indicate that it has been reviewed by groups of people that are for and against the information contained. I don't understand the mindset that the average person knows more about medical conditions than a Dr.. They can't unless they've had all the medical classes, residency, and actual experience as an MD. No, Dr's aren't infallible but to think that you, a non medically trained person, knows more than they do is simply daft.

Pardon my exasperation, but I couldn't keep my fingers still any longer.
 

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I have HBP also. I take one pill of METOPROLOL, 25mgs, and 1 pill of LISINOPRIL 20MG A DAY.
Do you have a chronic cough from lisinopril? My Dad did, to the point we were afraid he would break something. I started on Losartan (a close cousin) back in June 2021. Have had a cough since August that is getting worse. Just wondered if you do have a cough, did you find anything that knocked it back?
 
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