Goat share/ Lease questions

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  1. KrisD

    KrisD Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have friends who want to do a goat share with my goats for milk. They have to lease because of Washington State laws. The goats will stay on my property under my care. They will come over and milk and take home what they milk out. What should I charge? I have no idea how to work this. It will basically be a CSA. Any ideas, pointers, etc?
     
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    I have no idea...but it sounds like a best-bet way to do a goat share.

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  3. Ford Zoo

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    I have no experience with this, but my first thought is this: if they are taking the milk from one goat that they are milking, they should still be responsible for all the costs of feed and care for that one goat, plus a bit for your time.

    I was nice a few years ago and raised 3 pigs for friends while I raised 2 for us. I only charged their share of the feed. In hindsight, when I calculate my extra electricity to run the water pump and tank heater, the extra fuel to go buy 3 extra batches of feed (I buy 1000# at a time), and the extra gas to cook for 5 instead of just 2 (Yes, I cook feed for my pigs when it gets cold and we happened to get them late last year),not to mention my extra time, it cost ME money to raise their pigs. Only one person brought extra garden cleanings, and no one helped with chores, not once-and that was part of the deal. And I had to load them and haul all to the butcher myself too.

    I realize one extra goat will not cost much more, but I just mention these things for your consideration. Someone who has never owned a particular animal does not realize the extra time and nickel/dimes involved.
     
  4. KrisD

    KrisD Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'm not getting anymore goats(says the girl who told her husband "we are only going to have 2 goats) They are just going to lease some of the girls I do have. They are going to pay half the breeding costs. For obvious reasons they are not going to be milking everyday. Probably twice a week on average. The rest of he milk is mine. The contract stuff doesn't bother me, just trying to figure out what I should charge. If you ladies were going to lease a dairy goat, what would you think is a fair price?
     
  5. steff bugielski

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    Well since she is yours and you have most of the milk, why not figure how much milk they will get a week on average throughout her lactation and charge by the gallon. Say she produces 1 gallon a day with 2x day milking, they will get 1 gallon a week. What is the gallon going for. I charge $9 a gallon so I would charge them $10 a week.
    Not sure if it helps.
     
  6. Shayanna

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    look up goat shares on google. I did this and didn't find instructions per say, but you can find ads from other farms that do that and see what the going rate is, and how you can adjust that to your costs. How much does it cost to feed, maintain each goat on your farm? How much labor do you put into the goats each day? All factors to consider.
     
  7. Hollowdweller

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    The one thing it's hard to do is to have any time away from the farm if you are milking goats.

    Why not just trade these folks and they could farmsit for you when you want to do a weekend off? They would get the milk you would get a break.
     
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    If I understand correctly, these people want milk, but it's illegal to sell milk in your area? These are already your goats and will stay so, but the others but a "share" so they can get milk legally? If yes, I think steff has the best answer so far :)
     
  9. IndyGardenGal

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    If a person's share takes 1/3 of what that goat produces, the share would cost 1/3 of the maintenance of said animal (including your labor).
     
  10. Caprice Acres

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    Pretty sure you cannot state a per-volume price, because then you're selling milk, not a part of the herd.

    Personally, I charge 25/month for a share. A share costs 15.00. If you decide to stop getting milk, you get your 15.00 back. A share consists of ONE milking per week during the first 5 months of lactation, and 2 milkings per week for the 2nd 5 months of lactation (to compensate for lowered production and to ensure we have enough milk to feed our own babies). Volume varies. We supply jars which MUST be returned or replaced for a fee. Or, you can avoid that by simply providing your own jars. :)
     
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    I know a lady who does herd shares.

    She has a "buy in" of $25 & you get 2 half gallon glass jars with plastic lids full of milk.

    After that your share cost $9 a week & you get both jars filled each week. You can buy additional "shares" if you want more than a gallon per week. When your contract is up, if you don't want to renew, you bring back the jars & lids & get $16 back for returning them.

    She took in a sample contract to an attorney & tweaked it to suit her needs..... I know part of it states the risk of raw milk & has a liability clause in it too (Kind of "drink at your own risk, I'm not liable if you get sick")
     
  12. KrisD

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    Thank you all! That is exactly what I was looking for.
     
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  14. KrisD

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    I plan on it Alice! Finances are a bit tight so in the next few months I will be joining.
     
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    I would be willing to share my contract, which I made by perusing the contracts of other farms and modifying it to my requirements and needs.
     
  16. KrisD

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    Dona I would love that!
     
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    KrisD, you may want to double check your information on the legality of selling milk via a share program. IMNAL, but everything I have read says that as WA allows raw milk sales that they do not alow the herd share "loophole". If you sell milk for human consumption (raw or not) you have to be a licensed dairy.

    Washington State Department of Agriculture - Dairy Farms and Milk Plants

    The following link has the best info I've found (inclusing info on what you need to get licensed): http://agr.wa.gov/FoodAnimal/Dairy/docs/RetailRawMilkGuide042111.pdf

    The key part from the PDF.

    Assuming that I am reading/interpreting this is correctly it may be worth your while to (once licensed obviously) just sell them the milk by the unit rather than mess with shares.
     
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    I don't think there is a way to "not allow" the share loophole, as long as somebody owned a whole share. There is nothing, NOTHING, stopping you from consuming a product from your own animal. If you own a whole share, you technically own a whole goat under the care of somebody else. The fees you pay are boarding, husbandry, and labor fees. Thats why they must be very specific in the contract. I spoke to a USDA agent, asking what I can do to sell milk. She sent me the packet on being Grade A and yada yada (and unless you have a 100 acre farm and lots of money to get the right setup, its impossible), but then told me that there is nothing that can legally stop you from selling shares. She wouldn't tell me how to do shares, she said I could do the research on that, but she said its possible. I know I said to google the prices and such, but instead of googling the law, go on your state website, find an email address, and actually talk to somebody.

    Before I found this forum, I started looking up rabbitries and goat farms and any email address I could find got an email from me asking for some basic advice. Especially about marketing.
     
  19. KrisD

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    We're leasing the animals and they are boarding them here. That's why they are paying stud fees. Their money is for feed costs and boarding and that's what the contract will state. If they come to milk their own animals that's their business. I have read the law several times. It's about 15k to modify to meet Dept of Ag standards to license. I can sell cheese as long as it's hard cheese that's been aged.
     
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  20. steff bugielski

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    What makes you think it will cost 15K. I got a raw milk license, the license is free. The only money we spent was on re fitting the area of the barn to be used as a milking parlor and milk room. That total was about $800.00
    We also just last year got our cheese processing permit. The big $$$ were the Vat pasteurizer, which I would not have needed for aged but I still would have had to buy a large vat to accommodate 15-20 gallons at a time. The vat cost me $12,000.00 everything else was about $2000.00.